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#161374 - 02/16/05 11:53 PM Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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I am proposing that the topics in this thread be archeological finds or news items that relate to Zecharia Zitchin's views. I seem to run archeological and news items about anything earlier than about 2000 BC through a Sitchin filter to see how they might fit with his writings or not. This is the place to post those items. Some may be worthy of a thread of their own, others of only mild interest, but it will allow us to build a common body of information.

Porta recently created a thread regarding Gilgamesh's Tomb. This item had been posted in May 2003 by XPIOLT. I won't go into details for that reason, as most have already read it. For those who haven't seen the news release, here is the BBC version:
Gilgamesh Tomb Believed Found

I did find some additional information on this find, but it was just more details, not an update. You can read it here:
Iraq: Archaeological Expedition Mapping Ancient City Of Uruk

Sitchin quotes the Epic of Gilgamesh liberally. Proof of Gilgamesh's existence helps substantiate Sitchin. Of course just finding a tomb doesn't begin to prove anything in the Epic, but who knows what might turn up?
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#161375 - 02/17/05 05:51 AM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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ARNIK: Great thread idea!!! I, too, run new finds "thru my Sitchin" filter (plus another one). And I hope that this thread can remain pure news and factual descriptions of the finds. If one wants to offer differing opinions, discuss, debate, argue, flame a find, they should start another thread and do so. (This will require the Moderator to be in full Atilla-the-Hun mode.)
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#161376 - 02/17/05 05:42 PM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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I have a lot of pages on many of the sites mentioned by Sitchin. Unfortunately, I did not keep any references from the Internet where I copied the pages. Many of them are too long to appropriately post in a single post.

Some of the places that have piqued my imagination are:

Meggido
Baalbek
Sodom and Gomorrah (included among the five cities)
Lachish and other Sumerian cities

I'd really like to see some detailed pictures of the black streak in the Sinai that Sitchin claims can be seen from satellites. His balck and white photo is not that good.

Other sites that have piqued my imagination are found in India and Sri Lanka. The archaeological efforts reveal supporting information that a nuclear holocaust occurred, which supports Sitchin's translations that the Indus Valley suffered under the effects of the nuclear blast that took out the space port.

I wonder if there were more bombs dropped than were reported by Sitchin.

If you all will pick a subject from the above, I'll start researching for appropriate URLs, rather than post 18 pages (by WORD's arrangement) of text in one post.
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#161377 - 02/17/05 07:24 PM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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I like to chew my food, so you can spoon feed me. I particularly like Baalbek and the Indus Valley. Baalbek because of the incredible blocks and Indus because it really tweeks those who say no to ancient nukes.
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#161378 - 02/17/05 09:19 PM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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WALLIS: SOUNDS GREAT! I'm with Arnik - spoon feed me! And his initial choices are fine with me! (I did almost all of my "Sitchin verification researches" BEFORE I got my first computer, so my sources were exclusively library hard copies, almost always on inter-library loan.) Your's CERTAINLY sound relevant!!! Spoon away! This should be FUN! And THANKS for offering! It's people like you who make the Internet WORTHWHILE! (Somehow, with my first computer that had a chip a coupla notches above a diode, I did an AOL search on astronauts and the "blackened fan" in Israel and got something from NASA/Apollo that they saw it virtually every orbit?) (It's after midnite and I have an awake, nauseus teenager - so maybe I'll try the search again this weekend.)
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#161379 - 02/18/05 04:19 AM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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Baalbek:

This site has some very good pictures:

Baalbek1

This site makes a comparison with the "old" structure and the "improvements" made by the Romans:

Baalbek2

This site gives a little geographic positioning plust some additional links:

Baalbek3

That should get you started. A Google search will call up beaucoup sites. BTW, the above three are sites I never saw before when I did my research two-three years ago.

Sitchin:
He connects the builders of Baalbek with the great platform that covers the Temple Mount (THE COSMIC CODE, p. 227)

He writes the this was the "landing place" that had been the first destination of Gilgamesh--a landing place for the "aerial ships" of the Anunnaki. (THE LOST REALMS, p. 202) In much greater detail in STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, pp. 181-3; 188; 231-34; 294; 306;

He goes into more depth, especially with Gilgamesh in DIVINE ENCOUNTERS, pp. 155-9. It was the northernmost point for guiding entry vehicles to the space port in the Sinai.

He writes that it was the only suitable landing place for shuttlecraft after the Deluge (THE WWARS OF GODS AND MEN, p. 122) and incorporated into the new landing grid (p. 134; 181). Its seizure precipitated the first pyramid war (p. 158). The site was deeded to Enlil (p. 178).

He makes a case for a similar Baalbek in Peru (Tiahuanacu) near Lake Titicaca. (THE LOST REALMS, pp. 206-208)

My Notes:

Baalbek's first city was built before the Great Flood by Cain, the son of Adam, whom God banished to the `land of Nod' that lay `east of Eden' for murdering his good brother Abel, and he called it after his son Enoch.(4) The citadel, they say, fell into ruins at the time of the deluge and was much later re-built by a race of giants under the command of Nimrod, the `mighty hunter' and `king of Shinar' of the Book of Genesis.

[T]here is not a crane today that can even think of lifting a 1000-tonne weight, never mind a 1200-tonne weight like the stone block left in the quarry. Confounding the mystery even further is how the builders of the Trilithon managed to position these stones side by side with such precision that, according to some commentators not even a needle can be inserted between them.

In the hills around the temple complex are literally hundreds of rock-cut tombs which, although plundered long ago, are thought to date to the time of the Phoenicians,(8) the great sea-faring nation of Semitic origin who inhabited Lebanon from around 2500 BC onwards and were known in the Bible as the Canaanites, the people of Canaan.

The course beneath the Trilithon is almost as bewildering. It consists of six mammoth stones thirty to thirty three feet in length, fourteen feet in height and ten feet in depth,(22) each an estimated 450 tonnes in weight. This lower course continues on both the northern and southern faces of the podium wall, with nine similarly sized blocks incorporated into either side. Below these are at least three further courses of somewhat smaller blocks of mostly irregular widths which were apparently exposed when the Arabs attempted to incorporate the outer podium wall into their fortifications.(23) Indeed, above and around the Trilithon is the remains of an Arab wall that contrasts markedly from the much greater sized cyclopean stones.

The rest of my notes contain references to gods, historical figures, and the like.
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#161380 - 02/18/05 10:08 AM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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...[T]here is not a crane today that can even think of lifting a 1000-tonne weight, never mind a 1200-tonne weight like the stone block left in the quarry.......

I'm afraid you are terribly wrong. Look at the history of the movement of Egyptian Obelisks to see how man moved and raised (and lowered) heavy objects....as for today I suggest a short visit to the internet where you will find cranes that can easily lift 5,000 tons (and more) today.

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#161381 - 02/18/05 10:16 AM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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Heavy lift

http://www.ttfijnmechanica.nl/english/producten_heavy-lifting.html

Consider again the movement of the many obelisks located around the world that were initially created, moved and raised by the Egyptians, then removed and reset up - in ancient times.

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#161382 - 02/18/05 10:19 AM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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WALLIS: THANKS! You made me work thru breakfast so I b&e for lunch. Only skimmed the 3 links, not going to any of the link they gave. Will do much more study, but didn't see anything not studied several years ago. But I needed the review and references. As it triggered my memories, I noted that I didn't see anything about the flatness of the huge stone faces, the perfect right angles of adjacent faces, the precise dimensions (all ignoring weathering). Note the weird angle of the one in the quarry still attached to bedrock. Looks as if they had somehow analyzed the bedrock and cut to avoid crystalline faults?
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#161383 - 02/18/05 06:50 PM Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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JohnWayne,

Welcome! And, thanks for the link.

We certainly want to hear all sides of an issue. One of my pet peeves is a group of people believing in an "authority" and then not look at an issue from all sides. We certainly want to challenge ideas and theories to form a consensus.

Many of the sites I have visited posit that the Romans built Baalbek simply because there is a Temple of Jupiter on the site. These "archaeologists" do not want to delve deeper or want to accept that our ancestors were probably technically superior or equal to what we moderns can do.

So, I hope that you are a frequent contributor here.

[Note: my Internet connection is hiccupping today; so, I'll apologize in advance if there appears to be two posts of the same message.]
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