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#161394 - 04/12/05 05:02 PM
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Wallis
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There is an argument put forth that Catal Huyuk is like a civilization bridge between post 12,000 years ago and post 6,000 years ago. One of the supports is the Bull reliefs that have been found that ties this city to the Minoan civilization.
Also, there is a Natufian influence. Research on the web hypostulates that there was a highly developed culture in the Mediterranean and Europe that disappeared during the Earth's upheaval between 9,500 years ago and 6,000 years ago.
Natufian Culture
Natufian Culture 2
In conjunction with what I have posted, I have noted that there is a 3,000-year pattern of cataclysmic disasters. What I have been looking for is for any global upheaval 3,000 years ago. I am finding some significant events that occurred around the 2nd Century B.C.E. Once I have collected enough information, I'll post these later.
You might say that I'm looking to build a "case" to support the current events are just a part of this pattern.
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#161395 - 04/12/05 09:02 PM
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Mr.P.
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WALLIS: Oh, Jeez, another catastrophist!  Per my researches - first trying to independently verify V's theories, and then well beyond - they were many catastrophies (the OT got it right, at least as to sequence!), but they were hardly periodic over MILLENIA. THE Flood about 13,500 years ago? 50 years between two Venus encounters (3,550 and 3,500 ya?), ABOUT 15 years between 3 or 4 Mars close encounters (2,700 ya?). I really don't see a periodocity, let alone one with a 3,000-year period. You may be tracking events with more MAJOR planetary impacts?
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#161396 - 04/13/05 01:11 AM
Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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Wallis
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The OT is only around 6,000 years old. So, I can follow the logic that there was a huge cataclysmic event that happened 12,000 years ago (close to your cited figure of 13,500 years ago).
Then, there is evidence that mankind tried to survive after this disaster and discover the new contours of the Earth.
There is compelling evidence that another disaster occurred around 9,500 years that caused the Egyptians to flee to the desert (the so-called Blank period) and the Indian cities to be sumerged.
The Biblical flood would have occurred around 6,000 years ago when the Black Sea was innundated and joined to the Mediterranean.
Charles Hapgood claims that a world-wide geological upheaval took place around 1400 B.C.E., which fits the 3,000-year cycle. Thera erupted; Crete was devastated, and the Minoan palaces were buried in ash. A.G. Galanopoulos stated that Santoini's volcanic core collapsed and formed a deep caldera, generating a tsunami that was 300 to 600 feet high.
One book that I'm enjoying is Catatastophobia by Barbara Hand Clow. If you can get past some of her "wierdness" and strong belief of Alantians, there is still a lot of information that has been collected that gives food for thought and the desire to research.
I do not discount Velikovsky at all. What I am beginning to see is an Earth that is still resonating, if you will, from a close encounter.
Also, have you been following reports about an enormous amount of cosmic or other rays that have been striking the Earth? Supposedly, the X-rays alone would have lit the Earth up like a bright day the very same day the Indian Ocean had its tsunami.
Of course, the defining pinion to any theory is if, in fact, the current earthquake activity causes land to rise and sink. One site I found in the Earthquake thread has satellite proof that four islands near the Suntra Trench (did I spell that right) have started to rise/sink.
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#161397 - 06/09/05 08:57 AM
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ArniK
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Sitchin postulated that the Annunaki created humans about 450,000 years ago if I remember correctly. Here's a story and the link that puts us at the 400,000 year mark in Iran.
400,000-Year-old Stone Tools Discovered In Mazandaran
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400,000-year-old stone tools discovered in Mazandaran
TEHRAN, June 8 (MNA) -- Recent discoveries by a team of archaeologists indicate that the coast of the Caspian Sea in Mazandaran Province was home to the earliest hominid habitation in that region.
Archaeologist Ali Mahforuzi said on Wednesday that 400,000-year-old stone tools discovered in the valleys of Shuresh near the Rostam Kola, Huto, and Kamarband caves are the oldest ever found in the area.
The previous studies had dated human settlement in the region to have begun about 50,000 years ago.
“The recent studies conducted by a joint team of archaeologists from the Mazandaran Cultural Heritage and Tourism Department and archaeologists from the Mazandaran National Museum led to the discovery of several stone tools.
“The primary studies on the tools did not reveal their exact age, so the tools were sent to Professor Marcel Otte of the University of Liege in Belgium. He happened to be in Iran and he dated the tools to be 400,000 years old,” Mahforuzi explained.
Archaeologists are currently following up their studies to learn more about the people who made the tools.
RM/ML/HG
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Ok, the news item is a little short on specifics, but it certainly occurs in the right part of the world. I wonder what sort of tools they found and how they determined the age. We could just take it on face value that because they were "scientists" their word should be taken as gospel, but I'd really like a little more detail in what is a most interesting find.
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#161398 - 06/09/05 06:24 PM
Re: Sitchin Related Archeology/News
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Mr.P.
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ARNIK: IF I recall Sitchin, the Anunnaki arrived on Earth around 450,000 years ago, and created Man around 300,000 y.a.
Yea, speifics on the tools and, especially, on the dating methods are in need. Otherwise, we have one scientist's SWAG.
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#161399 - 06/11/05 07:38 PM
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ArniK
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Looks like man was in Europe building some pretty elaborate structures 7,000 years ago. The problem with wooden structures is that they don't last as long as stone. Here's a link:
Europe\'s Oldest Civilization
Found: Europe's oldest civilisation
By David Keys, Archaeology Correspondent
11 June 2005
Archaeologists have discovered Europe's oldest civilisation, a network of dozens of temples, 2,000 years older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids.
More than 150 gigantic monuments have been located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia. They were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800BC and 4600BC. Their discovery, revealed today by The Independent, will revolutionise the study of prehistoric Europe, where an appetite for monumental architecture was thought to have developed later than in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
In all, more than 150 temples have been identified. Constructed of earth and wood, they had ramparts and palisades that stretched for up to half a mile. They were built by a religious people who lived in communal longhouses up to 50 metres long, grouped around substantial villages. Evidence suggests their economy was based on cattle, sheep, goat and pig farming.
Their civilisation seems to have died out after about 200 years and the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet.
Excavations have been taking place over the past few years - and have triggered a re-evaluation of similar, though hitherto mostly undated, complexes identified from aerial photographs throughout central Europe.
Archaeologists are now beginning to suspect that hundreds of these very early monumental religious centres, each up to 150 metres across, were constructed across a 400-mile swath of land in what is now Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and eastern Germany.
The most complex excavated so far - located inside the city of Dresden - consisted of an apparently sacred internal space surrounded by two palisades, three earthen banks and four ditches.
The monuments seem to be a phenomenon associated exclusively with a period of consolidation and growth that followed the initial establishment of farming cultures in the centre of the continent.
It is possible that the newly revealed early Neolithic monument phenomenon was the consequence of an increase in the size of - and competition between - emerging Neolithic tribal or pan-tribal groups, arguably Europe's earliest mini-states.
After a relatively brief period - perhaps just one or two hundred years - either the need or the socio-political ability to build them disappeared, and monuments of this scale were not built again until the Middle Bronze Age, 3,000 years later. Why this monumental culture collapsed is a mystery.
The archaeological investigation into these vast Stone Age temples over the past three years has also revealed several other mysteries. First, each complex was only used for a few generations - perhaps 100 years maximum. Second, the central sacred area was nearly always the same size, about a third of a hectare. Third, each circular enclosure ditch - irrespective of diameter - involved the removal of the same volume of earth. In other words, the builders reduced the depth and/or width of each ditch in inverse proportion to its diameter, so as to always keep volume (and thus time spent) constant .
Archaeologists are speculating that this may have been in order to allow each earthwork to be dug by a set number of special status workers in a set number of days - perhaps to satisfy the ritual requirements of some sort of religious calendar.
The multiple bank, ditch and palisade systems "protecting" the inner space seem not to have been built for defensive purposes - and were instead probably designed to prevent ordinary tribespeople from seeing the sacred and presumably secret rituals which were performed in the "inner sanctum" .
The investigation so far suggests that each religious complex was ritually decommissioned at the end of its life, with the ditches, each of which had been dug successively, being deliberately filled in.
"Our excavations have revealed the degree of monumental vision and sophistication used by these early farming communities to create Europe's first truly large scale earthwork complexes," said the senior archaeologist, Harald Staeuble of the Saxony state government's heritage department, who has been directing the archaeological investigations. Scientific investigations into the recently excavated material are taking place in Dresden.
The people who built the huge circular temples were the descendants of migrants who arrived many centuries earlier from the Danube plain in what is now northern Serbia and Hungary. The temple-builders were pastoralists, controlling large herds of cattle, sheep and goats as well as pigs. They made tools of stone, bone and wood, and small ceramic statues of humans and animals. They manufactured substantial amounts of geometrically decorated pottery, and they lived in large longhouses in substantial villages.
One village complex and temple at Aythra, near Leipzig, covers an area of 25 hectares. Two hundred longhouses have been found there. The population would have been up to 300 people living in a highly organised settlement of 15 to 20 very large communal buildings.
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#161400 - 07/20/05 10:47 PM
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ArniK
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Sitchin didn't discuss China to my recollection, but this site talks of 9,000 year old beer. What this says is that civilization has been around for 9,000 years, a little longer than than generally recognized, which does fit with Sitchin's theories. What is interesting about beer is that it took a certain amount of knowledge to make it, store it, pour it into something and pass the knowledge on. All examples of civilization. Here's the link:
Cheers to 9000-year-old Chinese Beer!
Cheers to 9000-year-old Chinese beer!
London: A US brewer has re-created history by brewing a beer that was first brewed in China nearly 9,000 years ago.
Sam Calagione from the Dogfish Head brewery, Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, used rice, honey, and grape and hawthorn fruits to create the spirit, using a recipe from archaeologists, who had derived it from the residues of pottery jars found in the late Stone Age village of Jiahu.
Calagione, was assisted by Patrick McGovern, an archaeochemist at the University of Pennsylvania, for performing the chemical analysis of the pottery.
“We can’t prove that an alcoholic beverage was definitely produced in the jars - the alcohol is gone - but it’s not that difficult to infer,” McGovern was quoted as saying by The National Geographic.
The report also said that residues at Jiahu were the earliest direct evidence of brewed beverages in ancient China.
Calagione, who had earlier also collaborated with McGovern to recreate a 2700 year old drink in a royal tomb in Turkey, believed to be that of King Midas, and named as Midas Touch Golden Exilir, has this time round, christened the concoction as Chateau Jiahu.
Gold in colour with a white head, similar to champagne bubbles, Chateau Jiahu has been described as having a “very intriguing” taste and aroma.
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#161401 - 07/28/05 10:54 PM
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Wallis
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Someone asked about Sitchin not writing about sites in the Far East. I found this excerpt from and interview with Diane Cooper (sometime before the publishing of his last book, The Lost Book of Enki, circa 2001):
Interview
Diane: Have you done research in the Orient and China?
Zecharia: It is part of the same story, and the chronology continued. It was after 2000 BC that things began to develop or show up there after the demise of the Sumerian civilization.
But I'm handicapped there. When it comes to the ancient Near Eastern texts, I can read the tablets myself, I don't have to rely on what others say. But when it comes to Chinese or Japanese, or even Hindu sources like Sanskrit, I just have to accept what others tell me. There are books and translations, but I like to verify things for myself, both by being able to read the tablets or by actually going to the ancient places.
I've been to virtually every ancient place in the Near East except Iraq, and Turkey and Greece and Crete and the Americas. So I like to verify things for myself, and once I'm sure that what I'm saying is so, then I go ahead and write a book.
The first book was The 12th Planet published in 1976, twenty-five years ago, and it is still being read and translated and printed and reprinted. The paperback in English is in its 27th or 28th printing. And though not everybody agrees with my conclusions, nobody has ever challenged the facts. When I say you will see a certain set of steps in a certain place, that's what you will see.
Therefore I'm hesitant to write about the Far East or even India. So I really don't delve into the subject. But whatever happened there is definitely part and parcel of this whole picture.
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#161403 - 07/29/05 12:04 AM
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Wallis
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I can give you just a little linguistic background, as I have had to learn Chinese, Korean, and Japanese.
All three languages share a common name for God: Sin or Shin, as it is usually pronounced. Sin is recognized as being the son of Enlil.
This may be purely speculation on my part, but I feel that after the destruction of the spaceport and supporting cities, Sin may have gone further east and set up a dominion there. Hence, the commonality of the name.
Or, it may have its roots that go even further back, in that because Inanna was the daughter of Sin, that the people who eventually emigrated to the Far East carried the name of Sin with them.
What is interesting, to me at least, is that there are no pyramids or ziggats either in Korea or in Japan. I think it would be too much of a stretch to connect the pagodas with the idea of pyramids, although there is a similar meaning attached to them as they are venerated as instruments to communicating with heaven or the gods.
Yet, there are some curious anomalies within Kyongju in South Korea that I have seen first-hand that cannot be fully explained. Even the Koreans themselves believe that this area of the peninsula is "blessed" with an energy of some kind.
I don't have my photographs with me. I'll try to find something on the Internet to share with you all.
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