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#199986 - 02/24/04 08:50 PM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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Sean Osborne
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5837
Loc: The Garden State
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quote:
Originally posted by deliverator:
Looks like the whole internet is abuzz right now. Eyes and ears open everybody. Sigh....Here we go again......
Indeed.
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#199989 - 02/25/04 03:07 PM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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duhh
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Registered: 02/12/02
Posts: 1610
Loc: S.L.C.
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Backstop, no prob, 
aaahz, Thanx, I apreciate that you read the post and understood the message rather than shot the messenger.
On saving dumb people, Good to see a kindred spirit, I catch a lot of flack for this view. Oh, and I feel the same about helmet laws, 
Some have said "you sound like you won't be happy till an attack occurs". This is not the case, I do not want another attack, in fact, I want to believe the pro admin guys that Bush is a good guy and looking out for our country. Unfortunately I'm not blind. I will be happy when a reporter stands up at a press conference, (remember those?), and asks some real questions like,
"Mr. President, In light of the terrorist threat, what have you done to enforce the immigration laws of the US? and as a second part, What is the basis of your contention to grant health care, schooling, social security benefits and guaranteed income to known fellons who may be terrorists?"
Or how about,
"Mr. President, In light of the terrorist threat and Isreal's success with curbing hijackings, (none since what, '65?!), by arming airline pilots and locking cabin doors, why has it taken more than 2 years to even start to arm our airline pilots? and as a second part, Why is the TSA making it so difficult to obtain the OK for a pilot to carry, to the point of making them pay their own way to New Mexico for handgun training that most of them recieved in the military?"
K, I'm done.
No wait, one more thing, Don't let ole Bushie tell you "they" are coming for the jobs we don't want. Dunno 'bout where you live, but here in Utah the Home Depots are filling up with construction workers getting $7.00/hr who used to get paid well for operating a backhoe or a lift. Guess who's doing those jobs here now? Same with the fast food places, they used to be full of teenagers, now the speaker at the drive thru is the least of yer problems when trying to get your order thru to the person with the headset on.
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i am someone's mindnumbing friend.
are we there yet?
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#199990 - 02/25/04 07:49 PM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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Sean Osborne
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5837
Loc: The Garden State
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Originally posted by duhh:
I believe they knew that.
A year later and it's water under the bridge. When I read something you post Duhh, I understand exactly where you are coming from becuase of all your previous posts...there is a historical context in what you write. I read your posts in sum of everything else you've ever written. That's why I interpreted the question and relied as I did. I can't speak for ExpandedMInd, but i believe he saw it in the same context. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
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I still do not understand how anyone with a brain can believe the administration is worried about terrorists when they have done nothing...
Done nothing??? This is pure unadulterated nonsense. They most certainly have done some things to address the real problems.
They are spending more right now searching for the terrorists who are already in the country than looking for them to come across the border. Duhh.
Understand??? They are already in the country. Yet you wanna stare at the border and wait for them. Pssst, Duhhh, they behind you. They areliving in the apartments, rental properties and the mosque down the street from your house.
Get it???
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I, as an American Citizen can't get a guaranteed job for three years...
What the hell is a guarranteed job???? There isn't an American citizen in the nation who has a "guarranteed job", but Duhh believes he is entitled to one. :rolleyes: That's that liberal and socialist mindset rearing it ugly head again. Etitlement. Sheeeesh. :rolleyes:
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Further, I find it hard to believe, IF there are thousands of terrorists here as we have been led to believe, that the feds could have thwarted every attack.
Nobody has said the feds have thwarted every attack, just the major ones in the past couple of months.
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Still no actions have been taken to even try to secure the borders.
You repeat your nonsensical drivel. This is utter rubbish, because actions have been taken, you're just too damed blind to see them when they're pointed out to you, over and over and over again.
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But now that Sean has read an article on the borders and he sees jow bad things really are it is important.
More disinfo and you are wrong again. First of all, I watched a FoxNews program, Duhh, I did not read an article. I found the program distressing, but, and I again have to repeat myself for your benefit, that program showed me SOME NEW THINGS that I was previously unaware of, most mostly it was stuff I already knew and have longunderstood to me a moot point because the 5th Column terrorists are already in the country. Too bad you did not watch the same program, you would have learned A LOT!!!
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there is no need for me to be stupid and ask again. :rolleyes: But then, might as well do what I'm good at right?
If you'd pay attention once in a while and let what you're being told sink in you could keep the namesake commentary to a minimum. As a liberal, you might need a paradigm shift in your political thought processes in order to come to grips with what this Republican administration is doing to fix the problems 8 years of socialist Clintonista dereliction of duty and neglect created in the first place.
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#199992 - 02/25/04 09:37 PM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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Backstop
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Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 2332
Loc: Texas
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Sean,
Is this the first time a message has had no ref to OBL?
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In this communication nothing was said, nor any reference made to Osama bin Laden...this message was 100% al-Zawahiri
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Also, given available intel, do you think Alqaeda has a suitcase(s) nuke in the US?
(Not looking for an intel brief. Looking for your personal, educated opinion).
Thanks.
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#199993 - 02/26/04 06:28 AM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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duhh
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Registered: 02/12/02
Posts: 1610
Loc: S.L.C.
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Originally posted by ExpandedMInd:
Duhh: I don't mind being insulted, but why do it behind my back?
I'm sorry, I don't understand how this could be done behind your back on a bbs 
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And, you do it while acting friendly on another thread..
I hope we can agree on one thing and disagree on another and still be friendly either way? no?
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You are making a leap that is not proper regarding my old response from a year ago.
I believe our borders are not being properly controlled, and I wish more was being done about it, a lot more. A direct query about border control would have gotten that same answer a year ago. I also think pilots should have been armed and/or assigned armed marshalls long ago.
I'm also sorry if I missinterpreted your statements. Here I have been guilty of lumping you in with a crowd. It's hard not to fall into old habits of pidgeon-holing people.  quote:
I did not care for your insinuation (back then) that Bush created the Terrorists himself, and that they were a chimera being used by Bush for nefarious purposes.
Here you leapt. I do not believe Bush created the terrorists.
I do believe that the administration has used them to thier advantage politically, monetarily and ideologically in unprecidented fashion to the detriment of our ultimate national security. But that is my opinion, you are welcome to voice yours.
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But I'm not up to arguing about it, I'm hurt that someone would slice me when I can't defend myself. Some community this is. FU.
Goodbye,
EM
K, but you just did defend yourself, rather aptly at that
As for the last, well, I've felt that way as well more than a few times
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i am someone's mindnumbing friend.
are we there yet?
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#199994 - 02/26/04 08:15 AM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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duhh
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Registered: 02/12/02
Posts: 1610
Loc: S.L.C.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sean Osborne:
quote:
Originally posted by duhh:
I believe they knew that.
A year later and it's water under the bridge. When I read something you post Duhh, I understand exactly where you are coming from becuase of all your previous posts...there is a historical context in what you write. I read your posts in sum of everything else you've ever written. That's why I interpreted the question and relied as I did. I can't speak for ExpandedMInd, but i believe he saw it in the same context. Sorry, but that's just the way it is..
ok quote:
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I still do not understand how anyone with a brain can believe the administration is worried about terrorists when they have done nothing...
Done nothing??? This is pure unadulterated nonsense. They most certainly have done some things to address the real problems.
They are spending more right now searching for the terrorists who are already in the country than looking for them to come across the border. Duhh.
Understand??? They are already in the country. Yet you wanna stare at the border and wait for them. Pssst, Duhhh, they behind you. They areliving in the apartments, rental properties and the mosque down the street from your house.
Get it???.
K, *when did they arrive Sean? It's a simple question, I realize too simplistic, but humor me. There's not a drop of sarcasm in this one, please, just give me a round-about set of dates that they were arriving?
And I never said anything about staring and waiting.
I do understand the feds have the time and resources and are way on the ball when it comes to going after any type of citizen actions being taken on the borders. Can't let them militia people help out, they might hurt somebody. Nevermind homes on the border being broken into for food drugs money anything of value on a more than regular basis.
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I, as an American Citizen can't get a guaranteed job for three years...
What the hell is a guarranteed job???? There isn't an American citizen in the nation who has a "guarranteed job", but Duhh believes he is entitled to one. :rolleyes: That's that liberal and socialist mindset rearing it ugly head again. Etitlement. Sheeeesh. :rolleyes:
Once again I think you distract from the real questions with semantics.
My Quote was, "I, as an American Citizen can't get a guaranteed job for three years". You don't see the "can't" in that statement? Where did I say I wanted a guaranteed job? Where did I say I, or anyone, deserved one? Didn't you hear our president? It doesn't bother you in the least that our president wants to give social benefits to known fellons who may be the terrorists that you have been so dilligently trying pin down all this time? He said the illegals under his plan would not be allowed to stay unless they had proof of employment for at least three years, to paraphrase.
Hmm, exactly how they gonna prove that employment opportunity unless they are told by an employer it will be there? Face it, these are opportunities that 90% of americans born here, (not fellons) just do not have. It's a gigantic affrimative action program for fellons and wannabe terrorists. A good portion of Americans born here, having paid their dues to society, a lot of them having gone through the legal hoops to become citizens, can't afford the health care guarateed to a known fellon by the citizen's government, how F***ED up is that?. And just how many of these illegals are themselves terrorists? or murderers, or rapists? I would not be as concerned if I hadn't already witnessed the forced enactment of these programs already on a local level first by our republican governor here, (now yer esteemed EPA director). I have seen the effects of this policy and it aint pretty folks.
This type of policy flys in the face of a stated objective of stopping terrorism.
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Further, I find it hard to believe, IF there are thousands of terrorists here as we have been led to believe, that the feds could have thwarted every attack.
Nobody has said the feds have thwarted every attack, just the major ones in the past couple of months.
This doesn't stand up in my opinion. The fact is that any suicide bomber, for many years, even spanning administrations, has been able to walk across the border, (and now they are looking at being given a social incentive to do so). Before 9/11 they the terrorists that hijacked those planes were in and out of this country so we know they pretty much had free riegn to enter the country by pretty much any means they so desired. In '01 we were told "they are already here". Since none have blown up or been even stopped in traffic that I know of, what am I left to infer from that?
How is it that Isreal has been unable to stop the bombers, using bu**hole-tight security and direct attacks on known hidouts and armed guards on the streets, etc. But not a single one has gotten through the US meager security? quote:
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Still no actions have been taken to even try to secure the borders.
You repeat your nonsensical drivel. This is utter rubbish, because actions have been taken, you're just too damed blind to see them when they're pointed out to you, over and over and over again.
What actions are those Sean?
Actions to arm our pilots? Or making government bigger by replacing airport personnel with fed workers?
We got money for the NEA, Has money been spent on increased security at the borders? When?
Our National Guardsmen are overseas right now, so just who is protecting the mainland?
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But now that Sean has read an article on the borders and he sees jow bad things really are it is important.
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More disinfo and you are wrong again. First of all, I watched a FoxNews program, Duhh, I did not read an article.
Sorry, my mistake.
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I found the program distressing, but, and I again have to repeat myself for your benefit, that program showed me SOME NEW THINGS that I was previously unaware of, most mostly it was stuff I already knew and have longunderstood to me a moot point because the 5th Column terrorists are already in the country. [b]
See question * above
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If you'd pay attention once in a while and let what you're being told sink in you could keep the namesake commentary to a minimum. As a liberal, you might need a paradigm shift in your political thought processes in order to come to grips with what this Republican administration is doing to fix the problems 8 years of socialist Clintonista dereliction of duty and neglect created in the first place.
I like my moniker and wear it proudly. It provides good clean fun at times of great stress
I won't take the bait on the lables anymore 
I don't believe they are fixing much, wish they were.
If you wish to answer the questions here cool, if not, I've said my piece, I'll try to leave the thread alone...I'll be reading though
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“Bobby, have you tried, not being a mutant?"
i am someone's mindnumbing friend.
are we there yet?
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#199995 - 02/26/04 09:11 AM
Re: The Coming Terrorist Attack - Part II
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Sean Osborne
Member
Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5837
Loc: The Garden State
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quote:
Originally posted by Backstop:
Sean,
Is this the first time a message has had no ref to OBL?
[QUOTE]In this communication nothing was said, nor any reference made to Osama bin Laden...this message was 100% al-Zawahiri
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Yes, to my knowledge it is the first time he is not even referenced. It was a communication of al-Zawahiri speaking directly to President Bush.
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Also, given available intel, do you think Alqaeda has a suitcase(s) nuke in the US?
(Not looking for an intel brief. Looking for your personal, educated opinion).
In my opinion I believe the intel reports I have heard over the phone in person-to-person conversation of intelligence sharing within the past month that there are approximately 40 such devices currently within the borders of the United States. That is the number mentioned by a US SOF operator who I am told is a member of one of the search teams.
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