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#236279 - 02/12/04 01:08 PM Re: John F. Kerry
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Originally posted by jgr220:
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Originally posted by Sean Osborne:
The "french-looking" Mr. Kerry

Erm WTF is french looking? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sean PLEASE DON'T EAT THE MUSHROOMS!
I heard him described this morning as having the face of 'Jay Leno in a Vice Grip'.

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#236280 - 02/12/04 01:22 PM Re: John F. Kerry
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Originally posted by ExpandedMInd:

The interesting thing is, someone is trying to destroy Kerry, and it's not the Republicans. They would have sat on it until he got nominated.

Hi EM

Maybe the democrats, Kerry included, want this "bomb" to explode right now, before the democratic candidate is nominated.

If he survives this bomb, he can continue his race and get nominated.

If he doesn't survive this bomb, the democrats can still choose another candidate.

Later, after the democratic nomination, it would be worst for them, because Republicans could choose the timing to detonate this bomb, and it would be too late to choose another guy.

Just my 2 Euros

Ervil

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#236281 - 02/12/04 01:54 PM Re: John F. Kerry
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Ervil: Interesting take on the story. This is political junkie heaven. Saw a post at FreeRepublic.com claiming that one big network has its' story written, but does not want to be first to break it.

Another interesting tidbit, remember who first broke the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal?

Matt Drudge.

I wonder how long until the dam breaks. No news site other than Drudge is saying a thing yet.

First the Dems cannabilized Dean, now, perhaps Kerry. When the Dems set up a firing squad, they form in a circle!

"I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

--Will Rogers

One can only watch in awe. And re the Bush AWOL story, it seems the Dems are scared of doing real issues, so they drege up this old story about Bush. Apparently, the Dems think scandal is their only chance to win, or to sink their own.

EM
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#236282 - 02/12/04 03:15 PM Re: John F. Kerry
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Originally posted by ExpandedMInd:
The interesting thing is, someone is trying to destroy Kerry, and it's not the Republicans. They would have sat on it until he got nominated.

It's Chris Lehane, an old Clinton operative, now working for Wes Clark.

Hi again

Did you say Clinton ?

Is it possible that Hillary is behind all this ?

Is it too late for her ?

With Kerry, Clark and Lieberman out ...

Ervil

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#236283 - 02/12/04 06:19 PM Re: John F. Kerry
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Ervil: It could be the Clintons.

We need some Democrat experts to weigh in, but you could hear a pin drop in here...

Kerry is supposed to make a statement on the subject tomorrow.

EM
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#236284 - 02/13/04 09:45 AM Re: John F. Kerry
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My gut feeling it is the Clintons, and that they now want Edwards to be the nominee, and not Kerry, since their hand-picked candidate, Wesley Clark, fizzled. They do not want a Democrat to win this go round, because they want the field to be open for Her Majesty Hillary in 2008.

Just how ironic would it be if it was the Clintons behind this scandal with Kerry and an intern?
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#236285 - 02/13/04 10:24 AM Re: John F. Kerry
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In recent weeks Dick Morris has outline three possible scenarios relating to Bill, Hill and the (formerly) seven dwarves seeking the democratic nomination.

First, as to why Bill would support Wesley Clark. Did Bill really want him to get the nomination? No. Bill Clinton is about the only person on earth who could support Clark as he gained steam then as he was about to peak pull his support based on information "leaked" (by Clinton presumably) to the media. *with the best Bill Clinton drawl* "Hey, I liked the guy, I thought he'd be a good President until I learned about this stuff. I was duped like everyone else so I'm withdrawing my support. Hehehe"

Why would he do that? According to Morris to keep the party fractured until the convention. Then after noone gets the nod on the first vote, Hill jumps in to "heal" the party. Done deal she is the nominee. I doubt that would happen because the last thing Bill and Hill want is for a direct comparision between GWB and BC as a "war President" to derail Hill.

Wesley Clark was at least one of the recent sources to "leak" the new information about John "F" Kerry to reporters. According to Morris, it was at the behest of Bill.

Second, according to Morris, Clinton worked hard to derail the "Deanie Babies". Why? Well, *IF* Dean were to get the nomination his chances in November are a little worse than McGovern against Nixon or Mondale against Reagan. Now, while Bill and Hill don't really want the dem to win this time they know that Dean would all but destroy what is left of the party.

Bill and Hill want GWB to be reelected, especially since it has been confirmed that Cheney will be the VP. That way in '08 it is guaranteed to be a wide open race for Hill. No presumptive nominee on either side.

Third, Morris has said that this little bump for Kerry is a shot across the bow of his campaign by Bill and Hill to select Hill as the VP. That would make Hill the presumptive nominee in '08 should Kerry manage to win and in '04 if he loses. But, considering the number of people with close connections to Bill and Hill who died or disappeared under unusual circumstances, Kerry would have to be very careful considering that Hill was just a heart beat away from her coronation.

Is Morris right? Who knows?

But it is fun to watch the dems eat their own. The more resources they expend on that, the less they will have after the convention. GWB has a war chest brimming full and I've seen a couple of the ads they will be running later this year. It is going to be fun!
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#236286 - 02/13/04 10:25 AM Re: John F. Kerry
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Oh, BTW, I guess we now know what the "F" in John F. Kerry stands for.
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Carefully examine the motives of those who claim to pass information from secret "unnamed" sources.

Be even more careful of those who are incapable or refuse to fact check the stories from their "sources".

"Danstraction" is the term that desperate individuals use to try to cloak the weakness of their arguments.

"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" - Ann Coulter

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#236287 - 02/13/04 10:58 AM Re: John F. Kerry
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Dan: Morris may be 90% right. I heard that Susan Estrich was asked about the Kerry affair, and said it was "old news" and not important.

Apparently chasing Bush about his 30-year old Guard record is not old news, but the possible Kerry affair in the last couple of years is too old.

The Kerry bimbo eruption is only good for entertainment value, his record is the real problem.

EM
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#236288 - 02/13/04 11:16 AM Re: John F. Kerry
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Whatever happened to the 'What's up with Senator Kerry' thread? Oh well, guess this one will do.

What do you make of this?
An Open Letter to Sen. John Kerry

quote:
Dear Senator Kerry,
Thus far, your presidential campaign has been focused solely on attacking President Bush and touting you Vietnam War record from over 30 years ago. Though you have stated reasons why voters should not re-elect President Bush, you have not given the American people ample reason to vote for you. Further, there are many inconsistencies and unanswered allegations in your own record. Herein is an opportunity for you to respond.

You have inserted Vietnam into the campaign as a central issue. However, in the 1992 presidential election, when Bill Clinton was accused of dodging the Vietnam draft, you said, “I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign. ... The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam, not reopen them."

You now seek to "reopen" these wounds. Please explain how you reconcile your current tactic of using the Vietnam War to your own political advantage with your contradictory statements of Feb. 27, 1992.

While we deeply appreciate your service to our nation, there are many lingering questions regarding your conduct after the war. In the early 1970s, you participated in Jane Fonda's "Winter Soldier Investigation," and you also testified before Congress. In this testimony, you accused your fellow soldiers of committing unspeakable atrocities.

Later, it was determined that many of these charges you leveled against your fellow soldiers were distorted or outright false. Please explain why Vietnam veterans should support your candidacy after you have publicly defamed them and falsely accused them of serious crimes.

As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA in the early 1990s, you lobbied zealously for normalized relations with Vietnam. As a result, your cousin, C. Stewart Forbes, was able to broker a billion-dollar deal between Hanoi and Colliers International, a large company based in your home state of Massachusetts. Is this merely an odd coincidence?

Further, there is credible evidence that your committee suppressed evidence – including live sightings – that there were indeed American prisoners still in Vietnam. If introduced, this evidence might have prevented the normalized relations you sought – normalized relations that were paramount to sealing the Colliers deal. Some investigators have charged that you threatened, if the suppressed evidence ever leaked out, that they would “"wish [they'd] never been born." Please answer these charges.

You have asserted that it is relevant to this campaign that President Bush allegedly missed a physical while he served in the National Guard decades ago – you and the DNC have described him as being AWOL, though he made up his missed time and was honorably discharged. The implication is that neglect of official duty is relevant to this campaign.

If this is the case, then it is, by implication, relevant that your attendance record in the 108th Congress was a dismal 36 percent. In other words, you have failed to execute your duties to your constituents as their senator 64 percent of the time in the last Congress.

Please explain why it is relevant that President Bush allegedly missed some time while serving his country in the National Guard decades ago, but it is not relevant that you have failed to represent your own constituents almost two-thirds of the time last session – i.e., that you were "AWOL" from the Senate.

As you may be aware, 2 USC § 39 mandates that "The Secretary of the Senate ... shall deduct from the [salary] of each Member ... the amount of his salary for each day that he has been absent from the Senate ... unless such Member ... assigns as the reason for such absence the sickness of himself or of some member of his family." Please explain why you feel you are exempt from this federal law.

Finally, please explain your ever-changing explanation of your vote on the resolution that authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq. On Oct. 10, 2002, you voted "aye" to H.J. Res. 114 (Senate vote #237). The explicit purpose of the bill was to "authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq."

There is no ambiguity in the text of this bill. Unless you did not understand the plain language of the text, please explain your claim that you only authorized "the threat" of force, subject to the permission of the U.N.

Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Stein

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