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#237893 - 10/26/04 12:12 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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Lazarus Starr
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Registered: 02/23/03
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Originally posted by Andy G:
Laz, you are correct and I apologize. It was April 10th - still 16 days after we secured the oilfields.
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They would have secured everthing. Even the things they don't know about today.
But we did know about these munitions, didn't we? They were fully recorded and sealed.
Tell me Laz, honestly. If you were in charge, with a war going on, wouldn't you set that stockpile as a priority? Or would you leave it to whomever helped themselves? Methinks you're smarter than that.
I don't know enough about the logistics of the situation to make a judgement on that. I DO know that Bush doesn't make every decision for the armed forces. That's just the media trying to convince the more ignorant of wrong doing.
As for the oilfields... That's a tired old dance by the left these days. You know as well as I do that we HAD to secure those quickly because of what Saddam's troops did to the Kuwaiti fields and what they in the end attempted to do to the Iraqi fields. The whole thing about Bush wanting cheap oil is dispelled and rendered utter non-sense everytime we fill up at the local gas station.
Why didn't they secure the Muntions? Why didn't they have a plan to bring the peace? Why didn't they negate the looting? Why didn't they secure those massive borders? Why didn't they get France, Germany, Russia and China on their side? Why didn't they work with the UN? Why didn't they find WMD? Why didn't they invade earlier/later while not invading at all?
To be honest... If I were in charge, I wouldn't want a second term. I would turn you loose on yourselves. Let you all idolize Michael Moore and elect your treasonous President. You could gather around the idiot box and allow Dan Rather to do your thinking for you.
Military Strategy and Tactics is beyond most people here. YOU don't know any more than I do what we would do. YOU would have went after the explosives and lost the oil fields. Bush went after the oil fields and lost the explosives.
You wouldn't want me in charge. You should thank God for Bush. I would have crushed Iraq beyond its ability to recover and then left. I'd have moved on to Iran and then Syria. Would have done worse to them. I can guarantee that there would be peace in the Middle East because it would have ceased to exist under my watch.
For anyone here to believe that the Media isn't drudging up this non-sense just to help Kerry is laughable. No one here is that stupid. 380 tons of explosives? Not enough to fight a battle with. What happened to it? Since it was gone before insurgents arrived I would hazard a guess that Saddam's troops retrieved it. Likely already been used or sent on to Syria. Its of small moment.
Kerry's camp is saying its the biggest mistake Bush made in this war. If that's the case then I'd say he did damn well. Your leftist media would try to get you to believe that Bush gave the terrorists nuclear weapons by not securing 380 tons of muntions within a small amount of time. And either you're one of the ignorant that chooses to believe whatever the media spoon feeds you or you're clinging to anything you can that's anti-Bush in order to make yourself feel better for voting for a traitor. Either way Invictus is right. CBS can not be trusted any more to deliver the news. They are officially a National Esquire style news agency. Just have to wait for them to link Bush to Bigfoot and two headed alien babies now. Likely won't be long either considering the fast degredation of their credibility.
-Laz
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#237895 - 10/26/04 12:27 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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Andy G
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Registered: 04/23/02
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You wouldn't want me in charge.
:D After a few seconds thought I agree wholeheartedly! 
And the oilfields aren't brought up because of the money thing. You're right, they were a known entity and as such were planned for. But so were these munitions. While you may not consider 380 tons of that stuff to be of much import, it only took 1 lb of the stuff to bring down a plane over Lockerbie.
As for Bush making each and every decision, you are correct - he doesn't. But, as COC he is totally responsible and accountable.
And to lash out at 'the media' is to ignore the right-leaning media that gets quoted arounded here, ad nauseum. That is a trait that is not exclusive to the more caring among us (otherwise know as godless commie leftists pinkos  ).
And, as for quote:
Invictus is right
you just blew any and all credibility! (Kiddin', for goodness sakes.... )
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#237896 - 10/26/04 12:29 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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INVICTUS
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Registered: 03/29/04
Posts: 3112
Loc: USA
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Originally posted by Andy G:
[QB]Laz, you are correct and I apologize. It was April 10th - still 16 days after we secured the oilfields.
Apology accepted. Maybe you can get Dan Rather to do the same?
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But we did know about these munitions, didn't we? They were fully recorded and sealed.
Yep by the UN. But Saddam didn't recognize their authority at all. Neither the Al Qaeda and their iraq allies Ansar al-Islam and the Fedayi Saddam. They are they one who took them.
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If you were in charge, with a war going on, wouldn't you set that stockpile as a priority? Or would you leave it to whomever helped themselves?
It would have takem a lot longer then the entire time we've been there til now to do that.
What you do not realize it that Iraq had more tons of munitions within its borders than the enire US military arsenal. Tells ya something about Saddam's piorities following the '91 Gulf War and the Oil for Food program which generated BILLIONS for corrupt UN officials to look the other way and French, Russian and Chinese government arms merchants to sell him those munitions which have been killing innocent Iraqi's and Coalition forces in car bombs, mortars, rockets and roadside IED's.
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#237897 - 10/26/04 12:37 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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Andy G
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#237898 - 10/26/04 12:51 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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David
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Registered: 01/09/04
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It seems to me that it was not GWB or the U.S. military that let these weapons disappear, but Rather John Kerry's beloved United Nations. And even with the "breaking story" being debunked yesterday, John F. Kerry is still blaming President Bush today.
But I thought there were no weapons? And if these disappeared, why could not the WMDs have been spirited out just as well?
BTW, I have seen pictures of supposed intact Russian made fighter jets being found buried under the sand in Iraq. I can not verify the veracity of the photos showing the bulldozers ancovering them, but I was wondering if anyone else knows of this, and if so, could not the WMDs, at least the ones that did not get smuggled into Iran and Syria, be buried in the sands of Iraq?
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#237899 - 10/26/04 12:59 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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Lazarus Starr
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Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: MO. USA
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You wouldn't want me in charge. After a few seconds thought I agree wholeheartedly!
At least I'm smart enough to KNOW I shouldn't be in office. That red button was made for pushing and I would have done so. Also, I would've invaded France first for no other reason than I just really don't like them.
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And the oilfields aren't brought up because of the money thing. You're right, they were a known entity and as such were planned for. But so were these munitions. While you may not consider 380 tons of that stuff to be of much import, it only took 1 lb of the stuff to bring down a plane over Lockerbie.
I'd place more importance on it if it went missing after the arrival of the terrorists. But in fact it went missing while in the hands of Saddam. Tells me that he was the one whom removed them or ordered them to be removed.
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As for Bush making each and every decision, you are correct - he doesn't. But, as COC he is totally responsible and accountable.
I agree but I don't see a foul either. What's he responsible for? What did the munitions go on to do? Who has them? There's lots of stuff went missing in Iraq during the liberation. Do we now tar and feather all the leaders in the whitehouse, senate, and military for it? Or just GWB since some really don't like him?
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And to lash out at 'the media' is to ignore the right-leaning media that gets quoted arounded here, ad nauseum. That is a trait that is not exclusive to the more caring among us (otherwise know as godless commie leftists pinkos ).
I don't know whom you're addressing here.... I don't ignore political agenda soaked media for either side. Its WRONG. We used to depend on them to know what's going on. They are becoming fewer and fewer these days and its time to step in. Caring? Then why would you vote for a traitor? I could understand if you were voting for a different Dem or a third party but why the traitor?
-Laz
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#237900 - 10/26/04 01:10 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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INVICTUS
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Registered: 03/29/04
Posts: 3112
Loc: USA
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quote:
Originally posted by David:
I have seen pictures of supposed intact Russian made fighter jets being found buried under the sand in Iraq. I can not verify the veracity of the photos showing the bulldozers uncovering them, but I was wondering if anyone else knows of this, and if so, could not the WMDs, at least the ones that did not get smuggled into Iran and Syria, be buried in the sands of Iraq?
You are exactly correct David. It is a known and proven fact that Iraqi jet fighters were buried intact in the sands of western and southwestern Iraq. The documented proof of this is the images and video files of US troops digging up complete and operational MiG-25 Foxbat interceptor aircraft.
Iraqi WMD was far less voluminous than this single jet aircraft and is easily hidden in a certain Iraqi scientists garden or in Syria or any of the other hundreds of thousands of square miles in the region from Lebanon and Syria, to Iran and to Iraq itself. The entire country has not been completely searched as of yet... that process will take years.
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#237901 - 10/26/04 01:19 PM
Re: CBS News is at it again!!!
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Andy G
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Registered: 04/23/02
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David, I’m not sure how you make the leap of logic that it was the UN that is responsible for the disappearance of these munitions. When the UN was there these munitions were declared, documented, tagged and accounted for. Period. It was at some point after they left – because of GWB’s nice little war – that they disappeared, not before. It was on his watch.
There really is no debunking of this story. The fact is it happened. Yes, you can attempt to minimalize it by stating the quantities of munitions existed throughout Iraq and was not stolen but it does not change the fact that they were left there unprotected – for over 2 weeks after we felt the urgent need to protect the oil fields. At the very least, given that we knew of them, why the hell didn’t we blow them up? (Answer to myself: May have been chemical in nature).
As for the covered planes, I recall (Sean perhaps) posting pictures of those things. But what is your point? Again: These were known.
You mention the WMDs that were smuggled into Syria. That is quoted around here as a god-given fact. Is that really so? There may well exist aerial photos or satellite photos of convoys leaving Iraq but what else is truly known? Not surmised, but known. Or should we all join in and play the ‘could have, would have, should have’ game?
This is yet another classic example of the Bush administration at it’s finest. Instead of admitting that they may have screwed up or they were wrong, they immediately attack the messenger (CBS). We see similar tactics right here on this board all the time. It’s a form of politics that I really saw become popular during the Clinton years but Rove has perfected it to a fine art.
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I'm empty and aching and I don't know why"
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