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#241259 - 10/12/06 01:30 AM Does anyone ask: What is the goal?
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What do they stand to gain when they have everything already? I mean, if they already control every government, and to a reasonable extent all of us, why do they need to make a single world-wide government when that's essentially what they already have?

Either there is no ultimate goal and it's all nonsense, or there is some ultimate goal which the single world-wide government will help them achieve.

What could that possibly be?

Is it something as absurd as calling ancient gods back down to earth in a "Look what I did! Aren't you impressed? Wanna make me your sidekick?" kind of way?

Or is it really as mundane as simply living at the top?

Is that all there is to it? That they're the ultimate edge of the humanist greed-driven survival-engine?

I mean, what really is the thing that drives these people? It can't possibly be that they just want easy lifestyles provided by the hard work of the herd. I have a very difficult time accepting that something so completely mundane would be enough to drive people into such complicated and aggressive lives.

Clearly there's something missing from this picture. Everything seems to fit neatly together, except: why do they do it?

Please, don't say "because they're crazy." Even if they are crazy, people have desires too. So what are they? What are they all working so hard for and why? What's the payoff?

And maybe they just use their own goofy inside psuedo religion as what they all say it is: a childish mockery of truly religious attitudes.

Cynical mockery of sincerity is the height of adolescent wit, and they're all such boys' clubs it seems like the most plausible.

They create, splinter, manipulate and defecate on religions while they pat themselves on the back for a job well-done exploiting the planet and its people?

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#241264 - 10/12/06 10:41 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: enkidu]
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What I meant was:
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Please, don't say "because they're crazy." Even if they are crazy, crazy people have desires too. So what are they? What are they all working so hard for and why? What's the payoff?


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#241267 - 10/12/06 11:19 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: enkidu]
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They still use their own paper (money) and by using their system of paper they too have to live by it. As inflation and other made up things happen they have to work harder to stay at the top.

Every few years the "alternative media" is given more and more credit instead of our legs being kicked out from under us, just look at the government and the whole remote viewing project. first it was discredited, finally it was admitted. With that said, people become more and more aware, slowly people are opening their eyes and finally noticing the world around them. It's hard to do that, with all the misinformation in the world and all of the criticism a person faces for thinking outside of the box.

I do belive it's because it's increasingly harder to stay at the top, so they have to beat us all down that much harder. I believe that there are more aspects of this that factor in, it's not just about power. I feel that a "NWO" "The Morph" "Aliens" Space Exploration and Mars, and everything else that we discuss is all related.
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#241272 - 10/12/06 12:51 PM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: Zee]
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enkidu,

That was a very good question. Motive. What's the payoff? That is exactly why I have a general view that such a higher collective is not real. Sure, I leave to possiblity of reality, but without motive, how can it be so?

Also, the edit function does expire after a set amount of time We had to do that due to a past user abusing that function and we maintain this site as an archive for future review and information. That means integrity to what is written must be maintained.

Zee, on an unrelated note, your sig line had me thinking. I did a google on JohnTitor2001 and its all over and none seem to have posted. That supports the assertion this is a spambot. It would seem to me to be a form of viral marketing as it makes people look and find out who Titor was.
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#241569 - 10/26/06 01:53 PM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: Phil Fiord]
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A good point and another would be. Why allow a good solid police state like the Soviet Union to collaspe? It was sure a heck of allot easier to control people in eastern Europe with the Soviet Empire around - why replace it with eager little democracies? Why allow another good police state, China to become freed up?

The motive looks very shaky, and why (if they control the media) do they allow so much media coverage of conspiracy and distrust of the government - shouldn't they be showing a "trust the government" message instead of "don't trust the government and authority"?

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#241573 - 10/26/06 03:23 PM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: -----]
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JW,

It is odd to think the Soviet Union would be allowed to collapse if world domination is the goal, but think of that time when the US and CCCP were at direct odds. A stalemate.

I know this seems to support the conspiracy theory, but the only way to have lulled the US to weaken defenses was to topple the old Kremlin, at least in appearance if not in fact.

Indeed, the US defenses are not quite as expansive as they had been and we are overall in a sense of Russia is our friend. Yes, I believe there are good and kind people everywhere, but politically, Russia would seem to be at odds with the US, however discreetly. Beijing is a tad more overt.

Back in Summer 2000, I think it was, Moscow and Beijing had a summit in which the were quoted as saying they were joining in an effort to counter what they see as an expansionist United States. I have posted about that summit before, even back on Art Bells P2P, back in the day.

So, my point is, a goal of world domination could be fed by toppling the complete and open at odds between the west and the east.

I tend to think its not a world domination syndicate but socialist ideology that wishes to dispatch the US and her allies.
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#241588 - 10/27/06 10:30 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: Phil Fiord]
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Before I even began to consider what 'they' want.....I'd take the more logical first step of establishing whether 'they' actually exist.
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#241609 - 10/28/06 04:15 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: Phil Fiord]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Fiord

I tend to think its not a world domination syndicate but socialist ideology that wishes to dispatch the US and her allies.


The Left and the Right are paradigm illusions.

Illuminism is Socialism as well as Capitalism, or more accurately, Corporate Fascism as Mussolini called it.

The funding and building up of both sides in any economic or military rival system is a classic technique and it has worked time and time again. That's why there's a mad rush to do business with China now and military technology has been allowed to accidently slip into their hands.

Two classic books, IMHO:

Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution

Wall Street And The Rise Of Hitler

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#241610 - 10/28/06 04:19 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: Kaluza Klein]
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Originally Posted By: Kaluza Klein
Before I even began to consider what 'they' want.....I'd take the more logical first step of establishing whether 'they' actually exist.


Allow me to be of assistance:

Illuminati Conspiracy Archive

Oh, and you'll need to swallow the red pill, OK?

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#241612 - 10/28/06 06:10 AM Re: Does anyone ask: What is the goal? [Re: 100th Monkey]
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Even tho I've never met any other listed "member", my name is on the list. Dang, have I missed any important meetings? Maybe my name was just plucked from "Who's Who" like the rest of them?
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