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#245142 - 11/02/07 05:16 AM The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000
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Did he ever make such a claim? Or would it be after he left?

Would he even find this place?

Sorry if this has been asked a zillion times already.
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#245144 - 11/02/07 06:19 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Neozeed]
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Hello Neozeed, Welcome to Anomalies.

Titor did not claim to ever be coming to 2007 after his departure, but in a sense he is here, according to his story. His child self is here. His child self would be between 11 and 13 now and supposedly in Florida. This again, is according to his statements.

He did not post on Anomalies. He posted on the old Art Bell Post 2 Post and on Time Travel Institute. When P2P was taken offline, many principles from that P2P discussion came here and other discussion boards.

On Anomalies, we have archived the original data and on our newly arranged system it is here:
http://anomalies.net/page/time_travel

Just check the links to the right of that page. In particular, read the original thread from P2P:
http://anomalies.net/object/titororiginalpost.html

It is interesting reading, but keeping mind that even after years of investigation and posting on this, he is not conclusively proven to be real or fake. Current evidence leans heavily to fake though.

So if nothing else, it has been a thought provoking story and a creative journey. Who knows, maybe he was real. Guess we'll find out in 2012 or so.
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#245146 - 11/02/07 06:54 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Phil Fiord]
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Indeed... I think the most interesting aspect of the whole thing is the infanite universes.... So it would seem 'fake' since we are a divergent timeline.

Even for fakery its a nice loop out of different events. But then again current theory on space/time does point to infaite universes....
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#245147 - 11/02/07 07:03 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Neozeed]
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That is exactly the issue with the Titor story. Some sound, though general, principles were stated. Still any good sci-fi writer will research emerging tech and theory themselves.
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#245148 - 11/02/07 07:14 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Phil Fiord]
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You know this part sounds silly... But I actually have source code to Unix SYSVr4 and a few others... I almost wonder if I should put it on CD's and just start mailing out random copies to random people so it 'survives'... I mean just the plausibillity of it....

That and in 1998 I was stuck reverse engineering mainframe code to stop the y2k thing... I can attest to this much, if we hadn't had the industry wakeup, things would have been VERY screwed up. Y2k was the biggest 'non' crissis, crisses I can think of... For the most part, North America would have gone dark.
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#245150 - 11/02/07 07:30 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Neozeed]
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It's not silly at all, as the Unix 2038 bug is real, though less an issue than what hype 2k was. It seems the 2038 issue is not having functional software but being able to convert the software to a usable from for dating. I still think a temp fix is simple. Turn the date back a bit until a fix is achieved.

As an aside, Titor hinted at his possible presence in helping stop y2k from being a bigger issue than it was.
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#245152 - 11/02/07 07:44 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Phil Fiord]
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That much sounds plausable, I know there were plenty of people that knew, but just didn't care. There was a big feeling in the industry that nobody will be using this 'crap' 10-20-30-40 years from now...

You'd be surprised what a nightmare VISA/MasterCard/AmericanExpress are in systems built in the late 50's early 60's... Not to mention the horror of the 'portable' computers in nuclear missles, reactors and whatnot.. the 2038 bug is the same type (its an overflow) much like the Y2k where COBOL & lazy people use 2 digits for the year... Some people still use 07 instead of 2007. You would think we have learned!

But it's no doubt that until 1996-1997 suddenly it was important. It just came out of nowhere so to speak that this *had* to be done. Although if someone had 'tipped' peopel off in the 70's there would be more emphasis away from 2 digit years.. Or so I would hope.

The 2038 thing can be 'fixed' by changing the date holder from a signed int int an unsigned int, doubling it's size... You know it's funny, as UNIX being a creature of 1969 also fell victim to 'who is going to use this stuff!?'.. and here we are in 2007, you can bet there are people going to be running this stuff in 2038. The scary stuff is what's in orbit, and on other planets.. no hope of patching them!

As far as I know all the current free and commercial UNIX's still have the 2038 / date left as a signed integer.. (seconds since midnight 1969).

We, as an industry have a bad habbit of waiting until the last minute...
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#245153 - 11/02/07 08:00 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Neozeed]
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What really can happen though? A satellite has an overflow and reboots thinking its 1969? Or does it fail and sit there like a pet rock waiting to fall to the atmosphere? Again, it seems that telling any computer an earlier date will stave off date integer issues, until one can effect a fix. In the case of satellites, maybe a controlled decent into oblivion.

If I recall correctly the fed had issues after 2k with check dates.
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#245154 - 11/02/07 08:30 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Phil Fiord]
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It depends... GPS thankfully just kept on ticking, although it's off by quite a bit.. They didnt know what would happen there, we got lucky, or we'd have a big network of 'pet rocks'.. \:\)

the big problem is that things that are scheduled to happen on dates will mess up... jobs setup to run once a week wont do it anymore when the date 'resets'. Also the big issue about signed vs unsigned integers is that the last bit denotes the sign...

So not only will the clock reset in 2038, it'll be Negative!

Yeah and a negative date will screw up *everything*.
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#245155 - 11/02/07 09:13 AM Re: The return of John 7 years after 11/2/2000 [Re: Neozeed]
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Hmmm. One would think a start to correcting this would happen now. However, I can see how if the mainframes that run this older software may be in systems dependent to be operational all the time, so reluctance is there to shut it down for a bit and get the system stable to the data. Why not just setup a backup to run daily routines as the main is reconfigured?
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