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#245514 - 03/28/08 04:37 PM
Re: Titor Questions/Speculation
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Darby
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feelingloony,
Why do you think John Titor left so suddenly?
This depends on what you mean by "left so suddenly".
He made it clear while telling his story that he was going to leave "soon". In February 2001 he said that he'd be leaving "in a month or so" because that was one of the two "windows" that were available to him for departure. So when he said his good-byes on or about March 24, 2001 it wasn't much of a surprise to us.
On the other hand there's Dr. Dave Trott, PhD (Physics-Astronomy). If you've read the posts you'll recognize his handle "Trott". Dr. Trott wasn't kidding around when he told Titor that he was a physics major who was in the process of completing his PhD at that time. He did complete it soon thereafter and is now teaching physics at the college level. He's also a well known amateur astronomical telescope builder. He's in the Denver area.
During March 2001 Trott asked Titor several very specific questions that Titor dodged answering directly. It was soon after Trott started to close in that Titor's window "opened".
If he was lying and doesn?t exist why can no one prove, with substantial evidence that he is a hoax?
There is substantial evidence that this was a hoax. One great example: Dr. Robert Brown, PhD, Duke University Department of Physics (he's a statistical and mathematical physicist) weighed in on the subject at length. He classified it as a hoax - and a rather bad one from the POV of the "physics" that Titor described.
The physics that Titor described was pure sci-fi.
Why would John's mother be involved with the publishing of a book about his tales? Did John approve? Who are the other people involved with the book? Are they linked to being apart of this hoax?
Answer: Money $$$. The book came from the John Titor Foundation's "book writing team". It was simply a compilation of Titor's posts where he was answering "faked" questions. The questions posed in the book were substantially changed from our original posts. We assume that they were changed to avoid copyright violations of our posts.
The Book, at least one version, included "previously unreleased" schematic drawings that Titor was supposed to have left behind that he never posted on the Internet.
Buzzmaker, who was a member here for a short period of time, was the producer of The Radio Program for the John Titor Foundation (it was a one shot promo tape that the Foundation was using to shop around for a possible syndicated radio drama of the Titor Saga). He is also a friend and associate of Larry Haber. Buzzmaker stated here in no uncertain terms that the additional schematics were faked by the Book Team. It's probable that Mother Kay Titor is just another fictional character in the saga.
You also have The Movie Team, Coffee Mug Team, T-Shirt Team...you get my point? Larry Haber is an entertainment attorney who puts movie deals together. He's the person in charge of The John Titor Foundation.
Why would someone create a hoax like John's?
See above. It's the "Blair Witch Project" done on the Internet.
Who owns the John Titor website? Who is this guy? Is he involved in the hoax?
Oliver Williams owns JohnTitor.com. We don't really know who he is other than a guy who runs the website and makes appearances on Coast-2-Coast AM. I don't believe that he had anything to do with the original Group Titor but his motivation is the same - money. The reason that I don't believe that he had anything to do with Group Titor is that he really isn't all that familiar with the story. Virtually everything that you find on his site is either copied from Anomalies, Time Travel Institute or copies from some other site where Titor is being discussed. On his first appearance on Coast-2-Coast he couldn't even recall the URL of his own site...www.JohnTitor.com...and he was there to talk about John Titor. Pretty weak.
What evidence is there that sticks to certain people who are presumably involved in this hoax?
It all basically leads beck to attorney Larry Haber.
Titor first appeared on Time Travel Institute on 2-NOV-2000 as "TimeTravel_0". Raul Burriel owns that site. He's a professional web designed who has many big name contracts.
In 2000 those big names included Disney. He set up several advertising sites for the Disney Corporation. Among the Disney sites that he set up was the Celebration, Florida community BBS http://www.34747.net. The URL is the Zip Code for Celebration. The site no longer exists. Raul was the SysAdmin/Moderator for both 34747 and Time Travel Institute.
Celebration, Florida isn't a metropolis. In 2000-2001 it was an upscale ultra-modern planned community village wholly owned by Disney. It is located next door to Disneyworld Florida. Raul included a hot link to Time Travel Institute on the Celebration BBS. We believe that "TimeTravel_0", a Celebration resident, found Time Travel Institute via that hot link.
In 2000 Larry Haber was a corporate attorney for Disney. He lived in Celebration. In fact he was the first person to move into Celebration when it was build in the mid-1990's.
Titor comes and goes on both Post-2-Post and Time Travel Institute. Almost three years later "Mother Kay Titor" decides to write a book. Mom Titor is frightened - frightened that the Big Bad Govmit MIB's might make her family "disappear". She needs help from an attorney. Among all of the attorneys in Nebraska she just happens to contact a long lost law school pal of Larry Haber's. Haber hadn't seen or heard from this attorney for 25 years. Among all of the attorneys that Nebraska Attorney knows from his 25 year career he contacts someone that he hasn?t heard from for a quarter of a century, Larry Haber ? a stranger - the movie deal maker in Celebration Florida, to represent his scared to death client.
And so three years later the saga leads right back to Celebration, Florida. What a coincidence...
So normal citizens in his time do not know about time travel?
He didn't say that, exactly. He just said that most people in 2036 still have a hard time accepting time travel. He didn't say whether or not they really knew about his project.
How did he guess mad cow disease? What about the poem I see people referring to?
He didn't guess Mad Cow Disease. It had been a hot topic on the conspiracy sites for quiet some time when he posted about it.
The poem that he referred to was "A Soldier's Winter". He only posted two or three lines. In 2005 Larry Cluck wrote a poem by the same title. But the 2005 poem doesn't contain a single line in common with what Titor wrote. Only the titles are the same.
Someone told me there were Titor posts somewhere online from 1998? What is that all about?
That's just a false rumor - which is common with this topic. There are no 1998 Titor posts.
In 1998 "Boomer" (the handle that I gave to the author) submitted two faxes to Art Bell's Coast-2-Coast AM show. They described the same time travel gadget...but they described Y2K as a deadly disaster. It's no surprise, therefore, that Titor didn't refer to the 1998 faxes because they were 180 degrees out of phase with what actually occurred re. Y2K.
Has anyone considered that,
A) Titor may not have come from a future where there was a Civil War. Maybe he was a time traveler who liked the story "Alas, Babylon" and was just trying to scare the crap out of us so we'd play nice with each other.
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B) That he was an ordinary individual trying to scare the crap out of us so we'd be better people?
Sure, it's been considered. It's pretty obvious that Group Titor drew heavily on "Alas, Babylon" for the war story portion of the Titor Saga.
Was Group Titor trying to scare the crap out of people to make them behave better? I suppose that's always a possibility. But that leaves our "hero" with trying to make a buck out of trying to alter our behavior.
Nah. It doesn't fly. The political commentary was taken directly from the common Internet conspiracy sites and the science was so bad that it didn't really make much of an impact. Really, there wasn't a single topic that he broached that wasn't already being discussed at length al over the Internet. You can go back, look up the Titor topics from his posts and Google them for the period 1998-2001. No surprises.
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#245529 - 04/05/08 12:23 AM
Re: Titor Questions/Speculation
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Darby
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SST & DeepUZI,
Thanks for the posts. Sorry about the delay in responding but I've been busy this past week with IRL business.
Yeah, Titor has been pretty much put to bed. Though our site here has been pretty sleepy for almost two yearsTime Travel Institute has been very active. Lots of would-be time travelers (I've named then OETWs...Once Every Two Weeks...because that's about how often they appear) and most of them attempt to copy Titor. But there's very little talk about Titor himself. With the Olympics coming up that should just about put the story to rest. In the slim chance that they are cancelled then he still has a breath or two left. All that has to happen thereafter is for the 20012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032 and 2036 Olympics to be cancelled as well.
And, sure, I'll sticky tab the thread- though with the current level of activity it will stay near the top on its own. 
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#245530 - 04/05/08 12:53 AM
Re: Titor Questions/Speculation
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Darby
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Another FAQ:
How did Titor know about Ginger/It when no one else did? Doesn't this tend to substantiate the idea that he might have been a time traveler?
As I reviewed the thread recently I came across a Trott post that I simply hadn't noticed before. Trott asked him to reveal what Ginger/It was in that post. Titor didn't answer him. Pamela (Moore), via PM, asked me about Ginger/It at about the same time so I assume that she noticed the post and privately asked Titor about it.
It was no secret that Dean Kamen was the inventor of Ginger/It.
Ginger/It was a hot topic of speculation on dozens of alt-sci sites on the Internet at that time. There was speculation that it was reverse engineered alien technology - standard faire for alt-sci sites.
Right after Pamela asked me about it I checked the US Patent Office Online site, searched the inventor index for Dean Kamen and five minutes later I had all of his patent applications for Ginger/It. The original 1997 patent was there with all of the drawings (Patent 5,701,865) along with its futuristic looking triangular 3-wheel ATV system. The original Ginger/It had a seat for the driver.
It really wasn't all that futuristic. The 3-wheel system was patented in 1905 (Patent 849270). If you recall the movie "Damnation Alley" (1977 George Peppard and Jan-Michael Vincent) then you remember their ATV troop transporter with the triangular 3-wheel design. Same 1905 patent.
In October 1999 Kamen filed another patent (5,971,091) that had drawings that looked like the final product while keeping the 3-wheel design but without the seat.
Ginger/It wasn't a secret project. All the speculation was unnecessary because the patent application was available for anyone who wanted to look it up online. Pamela and I both found the information in less than five minutes.
As an aside, the first public Segway outlet seems to have been set up in...Celebration, Florida. Disney wanted its futuristic planned community to have futuristic looking transporters in town. Disney, however, oyutlawed the Segway in the Disneyworld park itself.
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#246011 - 06/08/08 10:20 AM
Re: Titor Questions/Speculation
[Re: Darby]
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Blackpan
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Recently I stumbled on to some John Titor sites. I was interested, but soon realized that it was all a farce. I read them all, the posts that is, for entertainment. One of the inconsistencies that impressed me the most was the fact that, John Titor never grew up in Central Florida. My family moved down here when I was very young. I remember Central Florida before the Big D moved in and took over. Thank you for letting me and everyone else know that the Titor farce was probably started, or at least contributed to, or in the very very least known at its beginnings by Larry Haber. It really doesn't surprise me that one of the Big D's people was involved in this creative lie.
One of the things that really stands out to me in reading John Titor?s stuff is that he never grew up in Central Florida. Yes, that's right he never grew up here in Central Florida. I know he was supposedly born in 1998. And this is no doubt the date of the birth of this concept of John Titor. Again yes, this would be after some of the very fundamental changes in climate, economics, population and even terrain here in Central Florida. But nevertheless even as a newcomer in 1998 he still did not have the roots of having a family here in Central Florida as he claims. This is evident because one's knowledge of home doesn't come from just experience, but is enhanced and added to by one's family that has roots in the community where they live. The sheer lack of this knowledge that John Titor has is just one piece of proof that he is not who he says he is.
It will take some time, but if you will allow me I will tear John Titor down to the shameless basics of being a liar. My work schedule is very consuming and so there are days if not weeks that go by that I can't come back and work on a project. But I have enjoyed this dissection of this topic so much that I will be back. And yes I do mean dissection, the process or procedure to cut or separate tissues for analysis. In this case is not the tissues, but issues or points of fact. Thank you for this form in which I can express my opinion.
Blackpan
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