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#248079 - 10/22/09 04:09 PM
Re: Ufo Diaries,..The Faces Of Mars, & DICK Hoagla
[Re: MadMartian]
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Darby
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Senior Investigator
Registered: 05/15/01
Posts: 4583
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
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MadMartian,
You've been on the Internet for a long time...and it surprises me that you still don't get "it". Fifteen to twenty paragraph long posts don't get read. Never.
If you have something to say then say it in a few paragraphs. Four to five at most. Discuss the content of the short version and then move on. For the most part, people who are interested in your topic are involved in more than one site. They will never read for content a rambling fifteen+ paragraph missive. That's especially so when the missive is sprinkled with "ALL CAPS" in the message. If your message is important then it isn't necessary to sprinkle in ALL CAPS. The message itself should stand on it's own. If no one seems interested then one can't blame the audience. It's not only possible, it's probable that the fault lies with the messenger.
Give it a try. No more ALL CAPS. State the information and let it lie where it is received. If it is not well received it's always possible that the messenger is wrong rather than the recepients. And when doing so don't try go give then entire story in one post. Break it down into smaller parts. Otherwise you come off as just another Internet kook, hell bent on convincing the entire world that his POV, and only his POV, is to be believed and valid. In the end that person ends up preaching to the choir and has a net effect of zero and changes nothing.
The other thing to consider is whether or not you can successfully argue your point from the opposite perspective. Can you do that - effectively? If you cannnot argue your opposition's position effectively then you are going into a gun fight armed with a slingshot. Bad form - and a losing proposition.
You don't have to believe me or even take my advise. All that I've ever done in my adult per-retirement career is give intelligence briefings to decision-makers and let people make decisions based on my information. The briefings involved the lives, health and safety of very real people - so who am I to give advise to someone like you?
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E. W. "Darby" Darbyshire
Administrator - Anomalies.net
DarbyII@COX.net
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#248081 - 10/22/09 10:25 PM
Re: Ufo Diaries,..The Faces Of Mars, & DICK Hoagla
[Re: Darby]
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MadMartian
Newbie
Registered: 10/15/09
Posts: 6
Loc: now... Colorado Springs
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I will reply to the posts since my long post. All I can say is, hey, listen for yourselves, I placed links up. Follow the data & see & HEAR yourselves. Then I suggest after that is to take that information as you want or wish. I know what I am doing & will do with it. ;-)
Those HARD COPIES are in Super Hoagy's possession!!
I want them & aint gonna stop till I get them.
You guys really need to follow the links & data, because that is where meat on the bone is, that should help some of you with your issues.
TESTIMONY is an amazing thing sometimes. So is failing to appear!!
Many think they KNOW him, but really do not (Hoagland I mean)
Yes, he is a Government entity. An AMERICAN AUTHORITY infact!
I also have that proof that you yourselves can follow that data & also investigate to get more truth from that info I give.
USMC & DOD!!!
But much of what I see already being said, is being done without much homework on part of the audience thus far that I can see in here.
TIME will show that I suppose.
Rick said something interesting:
"I'd like to point out that conspiracy theory is a term that has come to refer to any tentative theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful Machiavellian conspirators, such as a "secret team" or "shadow government"."
MR:
well Rick, how right you are & THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS... CONSPIRACY!!!
Hoagland in fact is a MEMBER OF OUR TEAM! ;-) (THEIR TEAM)
Powerful folks helped create this THING & it's code of Cydonia! That allowed me to see this info & more. That implication I will add (if you follow the links) you will hear the producers own words made that implication LOUD & CLEAR!
I realize this is a shock to people but hey, I am just mixed into the fray trying to get answers also. Maybe youz will want to or be able to help at some point. But the 1st point is,... FOLLOW THOSE LINKS. ;-)
I know you guys are much smarter & more serious than most, & I know you want & need answers. As do I! I however intend to get those answers. How boput any of you?? TIME will show I suppose.
Again, I am copying these replies by youz so I can reply in kind out of respect, lest anyone thinks I am trying to ignore & avoid. I am not. My times is rough now, thanks to that DICK Hoagland & those who want him & wanted him to do to me what was done.
yet I keep in mind the fact that someone amongst 'them',... Wanted & wants me to pursue this CASE!
This is MY investigation that has been ongoing since June of 2006! So it aint like this is a simple thing to do. I dare any & all to do better. Really I do. Unless & until someone does,.. It is what it is, but I am gaining in strength, & I know that TIME will show me & help me show you all.
I appreciate this topic here, but what I can see is that this topic is hard for some. I understand in some ways. So I hope it is allowed to grow & continue.
Again, I will reply to each comments as I can & will show I am not ignoring. Youz just not know or understand my situation.
That is why I asked for patience & also asked youz to follow some links & lsiten & see some stuffs pertaining to this.
Trust me, many of those links have answers & surprises for you all to contemplate. My fight & my investigation will still carry on with or without your helps. But aint it cool I chosen here to hopefully INCLUDE you? Especially in TIME, I am able to prove all the more that I am right.
Trust me, this is in the Twilight Zone, but for real. You may also in time come to EXPERIENCE some things as I have. This is REAL! Once can choose to believe or not. I aint here to make people feel or look good. I am here to spread the word & to seek infoz & to seek help to get us all that truth WE ALL DESERVE!
Super Hoagy or no Super Hoagy! Follow those links... Then grow some nuts!
Accusations abound that NOT came forth from me, but more added by me because of what has happened to me & mine because of it (MY INVESTIGATING, & HIM!!!!)
So please allow me time to address your posts, in the meantime show me the same respect if youz really wanna know more of what this is about, follow those links, & listen carefully. What I put forth is mainly from the code of Cydonia, that is why it sounds coded weird like. But youz are smart & can get past that enough to grasp the light therein! I know. I have faith in youz!
Names & places are named in some of those links, even in their own words! Pun Intended!!! The thing also I really want youz to look at is Super Hoagy's own words. That I am sure NO LONGER EXIST at Enterprise. This is EVIDENCE!!!
I appreciate all your efforts of those who choose to do so. I am here for YOU. Help me. Help us all!!! Ok... gotta run now.
I will try to reply in a day or 2 or 3 to the posts written in reply so far. I apologize again for this. But cannot be helped. You also will know who to blame for that!!! :-/
By the way, I am open to do interviews to discuss these things, I may be open to that also. I have MUCH TO SAY!!!!
Rock on. Site looks great & alot of hard work looks like went into this place. I hope it lives up to the name & the effort put into it. I for one like this look & feel. If that counts for anything.
By the way,.. WHERE IS MY FRIEND BURNS???? I really would like to speak with him again. Been a long time. Much has happened.
Have a great night.
Peace..!
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MARS REVEALER:
CYDO_NAUT_KNIGHT
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#248096 - 10/23/09 07:07 AM
Re: Ufo Diaries,..The Faces Of Mars, & DICK Hoagla
[Re: Rick Donaldson]
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MysticWarrior
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Registered: 04/27/04
Posts: 616
Loc: England
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I hope they do announce something soon, I want to see how accurate my books truly are...
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#248122 - 10/24/09 12:40 PM
Re: Ufo Diaries,..The Faces Of Mars, & DICK Hoagla
[Re: Hanslune]
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MadMartian
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Registered: 10/15/09
Posts: 6
Loc: now... Colorado Springs
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Darby, this CONSPIRACY involves HIM! It aint my fault that is the CSSE! I not wished him in it, nor really wanted him in it. he is involved because he also is in that video. Why are YOU defending him??? That is what it appears to be your doing. Though I hear what your saying, your just not getting it & if you ban me for this CONSOPIRACY that I NOT created, then I declare this forum a waste of peoples TIME & EFFORTS to seek & get & or as a means to fight for the TRUTH! You cannot handle that truth it seems, then why you running this type of a forum??
As a serious MARS RESEARCHER, I will declare this a farce!
But I see the hard work here put into it. A subject you not like, is not my fault. This is A CONSPIRACY! This is posted in a topic called conspiracies! This aint about causing S#!T tween youz & Super Hoagy... again!
Now since I am saying this let me keep my promise & reply to the replies I said I would reply to.
I cannot stop putting forth what needs be put forth. Your TRYING TO SQUASH THIS INVESTIGATION! WHY???
Your picking sides. You yourself anyway say that the Mars research is for nutters. So why are you jumping in on a topic you do not like??? Aint Rick enough to mod this??
The point is Hoagland cannot be left out as it is a conspiracy about him, for him, by the creators in this code, that want us to see & know him & to lead us all to the bigger picture they want us all to see & also learn & UNDERSTAND!!
Your NOT understanding that.
I call this site into credibility issues. If that is the case & you do ban me. As I said, it will NOT stop my efforts. But why ignore the subject & the issues? That is WHAT HE WANTS!!!
nOW MY REPLIES AT LEAST BEFORE YOU BAN MY ASS!
Replies:
To darby & Rick. Why mention this Dan brown dude? Why reflect with things I am saying to him>? I not know him nor read any of his books neither, as you said he wrote books. If it is shit as you say, well,.. I got enough shit on my plate, then to deal with trying to figure out someone elses.
If I was a normal person, not involved as it were, maybe I would know more. But these past 3 years I been focusing only on what I need to be doing to try to get answers & the truth & these dammed Faces the public never seen nor is in the NASA Public arcives!
Yoppu do not have to explain to me about this dude Dan. No offence to him or anything, but I can care less. UNLESS, he would have pertinent infoz for me to help get my answers & these images??? Is he someone such as that? if not,... I not care to know.
I have my own problems & my own case to pursue. I hope that clears up any misconseptions?!
Darby, you sound like an intelligent woman. I like that. ;-) Not too many around that has an open mind & figurative 'nuts'.
But by what I see, you may not like me. But I say give it time, maybe some things you will like about me. :-)
I will try to check some of your posts & would like to see what interests hold you strait up to speak & work pursuing your researches or work. I am betting I would see a flame there in you as well, like I do here. Passionate I guess I am trying to say I see. Maybe I am wrong as I don't know you & appreciate you wanting me to know ya. Your outgoing. That is cool. ;-)
You said something really cool here & I can appreciate that. You said...
"On the other hand I'm also available to lend whatever knowledge that I have in a straight forward and, again in my opinion, helpful manner when it comes to science."
MR:
Awesome. Just keep that in mind please when trying to deal with this issue. because science all is not known. There are many unseen sides & undiscovered aspects to what science is & can show us. Things that are impossible falls into catagories of science. They always have. In the dark ages, (which we are still in, in many ways) many would say it is the devil. or the devils work. The sun IS at th center of the solar system. That is science. yet look what happened in the past as an example? Flight, speeds, underwater living, space travel etc. So many things once IMPOSSIBLE, now modern science. Again, you sound smart & as intese & gloves up ready you appear to be, I like you. Even if you turn out to hate me.I will try to see your stuffs as TIME allows me & a good wi fi connect of course. ;-)
I hope that maybe in some ways, you will be able to add to the case of things maybe you can help with where SCIENCE is concerned. or anything else. Your help would be appreciated & I admit already, it is needed!
I am sure you & Rick have your hands full with flamers & trouble makers. It sucks when they are nobodies who just want to disrupt serious flow & serious discussion & serious debates etc. There are operatives amongst these type whose job it is to do just that. I have experienced more than my fair share & dealt with them as well. Yes, I can understand your frustrations in the annoyances of some of these can create in a forum.
I do not blame youz for saying things as your saying. It aint easy to run a formidable & serious forum where trolls do lurk etc. As well as plain dweebs. But the flavors are many as I can see here, & I think high impacts this forum & site can make for many arenas of interest in these catagories. I can only applaud your efforts. Even if you not to mine. I just hope that you can or at least appreciate my position & my efforts to applaud.
Because I am a serious Mars researcher that has made an impact as well, & will do again in even larger ways if I succeed.
Even when I was impacted & have lost & have not, I still stay true to myself in regards to my serious Mars research & to you all to still feel I have a job & a duty to everyone to keep doing that. Despite my ummm.. CIRCUMSTANCES which again, came to me because of this investigation to begin with.
RICK... hey again.
You said...
"I personally have zero love for Richard - however, I respect his right to his beliefs as should you. I believe he has personal issues with life in general and those things are his issues, not ours."
MR:
I can respect your feelings about him. Trust me there! I respect his right to his beliefs to. That aint nor was the issue this is all about. Especially tween me & him. However, his personal issues are also my issues, because of this investigation, it's information I learned from this CODE OF CYDONIA, as well as his SECRET PAST! mainly in dealing with his INVOLVEMENTS & connections to UFO DIARIES, The FACES OF MARS MYSTERIOUS PICTURES, & to THOSE BEHIND THE PROGRAM! That he wants to keep secret & hidden from all. That aint my fault!!! He made his issues that are personal to him, peprsonal to me! Because in his words & actions unto me & MINE, that demands I act! However it IS all of ours, because what that information & facts shows, that is important to us all that he is hiding & keeping those personal issues hidden. The FACES OF MARS IMAGES!!! That I am sure, we all want to have possession & access to also. In that sense Rick, if you feel me here,... It is all of our issues with his life. Because he aint wanting us to see or have those things which we want!
I believe he thought he would have enough TIME to bring these faces forth with a perfect cover story, to hide the truth about them, his connections to them etc... & think he would make millions of bucks. Well, how has my investigation put a damper on that parade of his?? This subject & the issues I arise will we remembered enough & be seen enough that he would be exposed if he brings them forth as if it was HIS discovering them all a sudden no??? ;-)
Definitely one will have issues & questions for him then, in considering what has already been stated about them (pictures) & HIS connections or possible connections (in your minds) that he may have to them.
See the crux & the ADVANTAGE I have against him in dealing with these SECRET images?? Coincidences only?? What are the odds??!!!
I already am mucked up to my neck Rick. Perfection?? Well, to err is human! I aint a super hero or a super Hoagy!!! I am still learning this code lingo, but of what I learned of it already, it is really incredible & right on in it's descriptions of what is going on NOW, what has went on, & apparently, what is going to happen!!
Look, in my mind automatically, I publicly declare he aint worthy to be CAPTAIN of the Enterprise Mission. I give reasons why in some of the links I posted for you to SEE if you desire to learn. Now in actuality, in this code, 'THEY' appear to be sharing that same emotion. WHY??????
I am not perfect & fall far short of your expectations Rick. I can only apolagize & ask you for patience as I continue to learn & more & continue to put forth stuffs,... To help you see.
I am NOT what many probably would expect to be doing this. Shit, who would expect anyone to be doing this??? This SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!! Yet it does.
You said something really important & really interesting Rick.
You said..:
"So... "Who is coming?"
MR:
Ahhhhhh! WHO.. &/OR... WHAT IS COMING???? Yes, an amazing question indeed! One of which I am trying to learn more to see & solve that question for YOU!!! The thing is Rick,... Do you have the TIME & patience to allow me to try to get that answer? I can only hope so. Unless, someone else here or ANYWHERE ELSE,... can step up, GROW SOME NUTS, & SHOW US ALL THE ANSWERS???
Because from answers I gotten & SHOW already,... That message is trying to be 'TUNED IN'!
DARBY. You bring up good points. You said...:
"But all the fuss over "conspiracies", come on, my friend. Who really cares other than a few people on alt-sci websites who are more entertained by the constant bickering, hashing and re-hashing of "it's a face - no it isn't a face" - year, after year, after year than they are the facts (assuming that there really are any facts)."
MR:
Who really cares??? I DO!! Many more will when the wind blows this message far & wide in TIME! Mark my words! I agree many are entertained by the constant bickering etc of the Face is real or not real issue. That is what SECRET INTELLIGENCE WANTED! To keep that as a distraction & by keeping us distracted from all the OTHER FACES OF MARS that is the REALITY!! You see, this code spealled out another tidbit of secret history about the Face. We WERE NEVER EVEN SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEEN IT to begin with!!!
But their plans to keep total secrecy about fluked! because someone,.. who was an operative is described in this code, was working behind the scences helping & being apart of the larger structure that controlled these images & these issues secreyly. This person was described as being someone working undercover. With his cover job as being described as a media person, & a consultant for NASA!
This code laid breadcrumbs for me to follow to pick up & piece together what it was I was being steered to see. (Hope your with me so far).
Anyway,.. This PERSON I was led to see of the information coming in being peiced together is said to also have done some secret dealings with THE SOVIETS!! Of which a PICTURE was gained by the Sopviets, showing you got it!! THE FACE OF MARS!!! They touted this image for the world to see to spit in the eyes of the secret intelligence of USA, whom we were in a COLD WAR with at the time now mind you!!!
However, also attributed was how this was done. It seems this FELLOW, in getting access to these images, (he had access as his intelligence job provided) detailing that he provided the AMERICAN SCIENTISTS, THE EARTH SCIENTISTS,... THE...GEOLOGISTS of the Viking Mission with some of these images as well.
Now if people think about this, they would think this guy was doing this cause he is a great guy wanting others to see this etc right?? WRONG!! Because put 2 & 2 together, this FELLOW was trying to cover his tracks for when THEY found out the secret images, or some of them,.. were open for viewing in NASA'S OWN PUBLIC ARCHIVES!! In other words, he used them, to use as a cover. So the blame will not fall upon him, but on the AMERICAN Viking scientists instead. Whjich is what happened this code states!
Only in TIME, this code leads me to see, was this FELLOW busted! But how?? ha ha ha. It describes that when the cold War was over. The 2 secret intelligences of USA & The Soviets, met time to time. Where the SOVIETS provided the answers to whom it was who helped hurt them. It turns out that the USA secret Intelligence not liked those answers!! To whom it was!
Now mind you when NASA presented this image of Cydonia way back when, it was a POLICY enacted. That if anyone in NASA officially or publicly stated that it can be a Face, or anything made, fashioned, or designed constructed etc that Face seen in the image, or ANYTHING ELSE UPON MARS, even a hint,.. & their funding wuld be cut & an end to the PUBLIC SPACE PROGRAM would ensue!! That would mean loss of thousands of jobs & lives ruined. That policy stayed enacted & is still even enacted to this very day!!!
I mean loo, the OFFICIAL EXCUSE even was trying to be told,.. "ISN'T IT FUNNY WHAT TRICKS,.. OF LIGHT & SHADOW,... CAN DO!!!!
Think about it!! So I ask you now,... IS IT FUNNY???? WHAT THEY... CAN DO????
There is much more to this code story I seen early on, which was what that DICK Hoagland wanted me to keep studying & informing him about, then he wigged & snapped & acted in ways you would never have thought him to!!! Why?? Well,,, I think the answer is apparent! To who this fellow is. He was attributed & described as being a John Doe! Then a clearer answer came communicated to me in this code. That JOHN.... IS... RICH!!!!!
He knew I was seeing what he not wanted to be seen, let alone told to others!!
How is that for a titty twister???!! :-/
Again, I can go much more into details about this & there is MORE to that story attributed & communicated in this CODE OF CYDONIA!
Again, I have much to say! Now is not the time.
But we are getting alrternative history information that was secret history coming forth. Which clashes with the known history of what was WHITE WASHED & laid out for the people to see & accept as that history itself!
So this alternative history is hard for others to see or accept, because of the so called results of the so called serious Mars research that their research is based upon anyway. The research tself is a cover job meant to keep OTHERS away from the secret real history. It happens everywhere & in many forms of life & government, so why be so surprised here at this???
So DARBY,... BORING??? Uh Uh! No way! I wnat more info & I want these secret images used & provided to grasp us all & to make us grow some nuts to fight for this truth!!! That is my stand. Far from boring.
The way it is now (regards to the so called real research of Mars) & how it WAS SET UP TO BE,.. yes,.. I agree, it is & was BORING. But with the alternative, NOW to be FACED, it kinda turns things around some. But that is me.
You said (Darby):
"Sorry, but the Marz Barz Nutters just aren't my cup of tea"
MR:
Well, ha ha ha, I can see why. But give me the chance! ;-) I just may show you what they, you & us all have been missing all along. THE TRUTH for one thing, as well as, these OTHER FACES OF MARS!
RICK.
You said...:
"Evidence? I still haven't had time to look at the video. Can't view them from work, and I've not really been at my PC lately. I'm helping a family member get his business opened and I've been spending time doing plumbing of all things."
MR:
I understand, as I said, I know your busy. It is extra cool you taking the time out to help your friend, when so much else is going on, that you have to deal with. So it seems that your a caring guy & not a scum bag. (pardon me french Darby.) :-)
I am sure when & if you have the time, you will look at what you can, so you can get some perspective. As I said, this aint easy nor is an easy thing to deal with. Just take in all that is offered to you thus far, & take it in what you can. I KNOW yu will glean some amazing things. Wether you decide to believe that this is true or not is one thing. However, that being said Rick, I am sure you will see/hear more than enough to make you also, to wonder about what is being held back from us, & what is known that is being held in check! maybe even enough so that you also, may want to raise some questions as well. But alas, as I said, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT EXPERIMENT I wanna see!
Plumbing sucks I agree by the way. ;-) Your a really good freind to do that for your friend. ;-)
Rick,.. you said...:
"Speaking of plumbing... and conspiracies, how do you know that Hoagland is in cahoots with the Masons anyway? Do you have a document? Do you have an actual video of Richard meeting with some secret group in a dark cave somewhere?"
MR:
I like that, plumbing & conspiracies involving Super Hoagy. Ha ha ha. How do I know that he is in cahoots with the Masons. The short answer? I do not! HOWEVER,.. That being said,... again, the info coming across in code to ME, & what has been said & TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS EVIDENCE, comes strait from the producers themselves! Again, when you have TIME,... You can see & hear that in those links I provided you. What else can we assume? If Super Hoagy was a MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, & Sellier & Shackleford are apart of this team,... Richard being a MEMBER OF the TEAM, this team being connected to the Masons etc.,.... Then hey,... How far a stretch it is that Super Hoagy as well, is connected to those MASONS??? Being a MEMBER no less, of THEIR TEAM! get it? ;-)
You also said..:
"Do you have his words on tape saying he is working with them (all the while pointing the finger at them)?
What physical evidence do you have?"
MR:
Again, that physical evidence comes from testimony given & attributed from the producers of this! In code also, as I painted it using his words, again, as his words are encoded to begin with, in that sense yes! I do have him stating he is! At least being connected to them! But on the surface of what he says if one NOT-sees (get it?) the hidden underlying lingo, then NO, one can easily say he is NOT saying nor has said that! See the twist & irony here?
This is great what you said here Rick, & your so dammed right!!!
You said...:
"I'd like to point out that conspiracy theory is a term that has come to refer to any tentative theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful Machiavellian conspirators, such as a "secret team" or "shadow government"."
MR:
This conspiracy, from this CODE OF CYDONIA, to a tentative theory, that spells out a historical, as well as current events! As the result no less, of a secret plot by powerful men. That created this. (the code says they had help. OUTSIDE HELP. being called the MARTIANS, which allowed & indeed, made this THING possible to be created. They helped those that created this by adding some extra elements for this THING to work. In TIME!!!
The code says this. NOT me. Though personally as the principal investigator to this code, these Faces of Mars, & to Ufo Diaries, I am having to agree. Because this should be IMPOSSIBLE PERIOD!!! How else can I explain it or fault it? because it exists!
Now regards to this 'SECRET TEAM'?? Now.. listen to what I put forth & what was said. If you do,Rick, you'll get your answer! This secret Team is called... 'OUR TEAM'. Where these SECRET Faces of Mars imagery is termed as being 'OUR OWN'!! As well as that term being applied also to us all to attribute that Super Hoagy is also as being a member of 'OUR OWN'!! He is one of their own!!
Thus it is EASY to attribute that he is a Mason, or close ties to the Masons, that for some reason, he not wishes anyone to know. WHY?????
Or it is suggesting he is one of the MARTIANS that helped create this? It can be only one of those choices!!
I doubt he is from Mars literally. But hey, with this THING,... Who can tell??? If that is so,.. Then I must say be warned!! Because that means that THEY,... Are ALREADY HERE!!!!
Here is another interesting & TRUE statement you said that matches to this CONSPIRACY THEORY!
You said...:
"A conspiracy is defined by law as an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. While in the strictest sense a "conspiracy theory" is a theory about a conspiracy, the term usually refers to a theory that attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social, pop cultural or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret and often deceptive plot by a cabal of powerful or influential people or organizations. (wikipedia)"
MR:
Well, regards to that 1st sentence,... That crime could be in keeping secret from us all the PEOPLES IMAGERY SHOWING US THESE AMAZING IMAGES & FACES OF MARS!! Now, to you, would that account to as being a crime committed?? Stealing the public's images so that we the public, cannot see or know about them? Yet we the people paid for them! Obviously more than 2 people agreed to do this! Ever since also, as Darby described, the FRAUD part of this all! Lying to the public, about what is really there wanting us to see think & accept that it is something else other than what our eyes can see?? Aint that constitute a fraud upon the public?? I am just giving some examples here Rick & all else. Which I may add, is WRONGFUL in how they kept it secret from the public & committed wrongful acts to the public to keep it that way!! Think about it a while. That is my advice.
In regards to a CONSPIRACY THEORY? As you put forth, your right there as well. It also fits this situation. I for one, am putting forth a THEORY of CONSPIRACY! That is why I posted in this topic! Because this seems like where it fits best!
The event or a chain of events both applies. That attributes the ultimate cause for this, is secrecy, & a plot to act out to keep it all secret. As well as a chain of events. Both then, as well as NOW! remember, as things have been seen across TIME at what was done & what has happened. I am an element as you will, also, to attribute to things that have been done, things that has happened, because of this video & it's secret hidden coded information INSIDE this THING! A chain of events for instance I can easily attribute connection because of my involvement to seek answers of that event, which a chain of events has occured to me & mine because of it. Mostly from that DICK Hoagland himself. So, someone SCRIPTED this with the foresight of what would happen, who is responsible, & what THEY want him & others to see & know.
These Martians have a message I think I can apply to here for you all that I think fits. Thus we determine who really are the bad guys as it were. These Martians send a message to the earth also stating that it is NOT them who is wanting or trying to keep them secret from us all. But get this (your gonna love this statement),.. But it is FORCES FROM EARTH, that are working to keep this all from us! Talk about a major whoop dee doo within what is already a whoop dee doo! It seems to me by this statement alone, that if we are to believe & think that the REAL Martians helped people here on earth to create this code THING, that it seems then they slipped some stuffs past those they were helping to make this code?? This is a discussion itself here & no time now to get into it. But ponder that a while also!
Now political it is, social it is as well, as well as HISTORICAL! To a secret group, who are keeping this information concealed from the public. Plus Concealment of such causes from a cabal of powerful & influential people & orginizations.
Now I wonder, how could these Martians have slipped this coded message by those they were trying to help create this code message for us, the FUTURE to discover this truth? Unless they were helping those who also knew?? That those here on Earth that know & want us all to know also, but maybe cannot?? because of the controlling cabal of powerful people?? Thuis the only way to slip it by, to be told to earth, would have to be encoded, & meant to be found! This still raises many questions for me I would also like to see & have answered for us all. It really is important I think & feel. But think about it! It aint these Martians. But FORCES!! Forces here on earth, working to prevent us from discovering the truth. I then ask... WHY??? Why would they do this?? Why would these Martians go out of their way also to encode this info to let us know??? Do they care about us??
Or is it because they know what is being done to us, as well as to THEM (these Martians), by those in the know, who are working in secret to do their plans with Mars & these Martians under cover of secrecy??!! Maybe to me, it seems maybe these Martians aint happy about that at what is being done?? or.. I will add, what THESE FORCES HERE ON EARTH ARE PLANNING TO DO & WILL DO??!! Thgus we are getting a heads up, that maybe can change that fate?? For these Martians, as well as us all??
This is serious S#!T again! Especially if any of this is true, maybe these Martians think that by letting us all know, & making a way for us all to be able to know, that may hurt the plans of this secret cabal that has their own agenda & plans for Mars that maybe we the public would disagree with?? let alone these martians of course! ;-)
To me at least it seems these Martians are at least considering the rest of us, maybe before ACTIONS unfold that will hurt us & our planet?! Maybe they do care?! Otherwise, why tell us anything at all??
Something to me, personally, is telling me & I am getting the feeling that these 2 sides are at war, or will soon be! I think we are being given a chance to avert that from happening?! I do not think these Martians want us all destroyed. or I believe, they could have & would have EASILY already have done so!!! But hey, again, that is my opinion.
I will say this much Rick & others, I am a new person. I now think very differently than before & I am being EDUCATED. Why educate someone & give pertinent info if you want secrets to remain secrets?? Why teach your enemy with something that which can be used as a weapon?? beleive me, I am using it as one. I do NOT want to, or feel great about that. But it is in some ways being used as a weapon, that might also be able to kill! remember general Thade from that new Planet of The Apes?? remember that GUN?? He did not want it's knowledge. He wanted it's power to be used as a weapon. I am not Thade & I do NOT want to become like him in dealing & weilding with this WEAPON!
Their weapon in these Martians eyes to be used possibly to give us all a chance, to give them a chance, to avert a possible war?? A weapon of hope to them. A weapon of exposure & shame to those forces here working on Earth, where Super Hoagy is a MEMBER OF OUR TEAM! An American Authority! Who is sabotaging & has sabotaged efforts, MY EFFORTS, to discover the whole truth!!
Like I said, a communication is taking place through TIME here!
I mean look, the opening line to Ufo Diaries has a few FACETS (faces of understanding) unto them. The 1st sentence alone spells out the THEORETICAL Prospect I just alluded to. How? Why? because it says: "THE PLANET MARS,... IS NEXT,... TO OUR OWN!!!"
if THEY these Forces on earth working to prevent us, keeping things secret from us all of earth RULE THIS PLANET,... It is NOT a far jump to see & glimpse the possible Face of Understanding that this statement applies & is trying to tell us all! See what I mean?!
If you do not now, you WILL! IF... You give me the patience & TIME needed to show you!
As I said Rick & all else, this is weird S#!T!!! I never dreamt nor could ever dream of something like this THING in what reality it holds!! Especially to me & mine!!
I cannot expect youz to believe me or fully understand, because it is NOT you who is involved & who is & has experienced. In more ways than one. Things for me go back to me when I was a child. Even to my own mother before I was born, which was reiterated to me again, upon her death bed!! That NOW, I can easily attribute & consider, is indeed...VERY CONNECTED!
It is obvious someones EYE (pun intended) is upon me in more ways than one & from more places than ONE! Much to say...Much to say...
My work as a serious Mars researcher is NO coincidence, nor is my TITLE name TITLED TO ME, by beings from an... EXPERIENCE years ago, which is when I started using that name. I NOT simply chose it! Just so you know. Do you believe it? probably not. But what do I care, as it happened to ME! NOT YOU! Right? Unless you were there, or seen it... how can you believe?!
In TIME I think you all will. Nor is a coincidence my connections to Super Hoagy all these years. Nor is a coincidence the radio Show that allowed that connection. This had to have been seen & it was seen by intelligent beings in the past, that has seen what has happened, & knows what is happening now. That I think was the whoop dee doo that flipped Super Hoagy out. because he knew & knows a message is coming across & is embedded within that code.
You said...:
"That said - Hoagland is not part of the government, never has been - even though he claims to be. He isn't a powerful Machiavellian conspirator... "
MR:
really now? How do you know this?? have you ever met him? I mean come on Rick & all else, the man & me were close for many years. I was his SON for crying out loud. Only to have it be me,.. to bring this up to him. I can only imagine that impact upon him. Especially with what Super Hoagy feels he had to do to me & mine! I not asked for any of this S#!T! But I aint gonna run from it neither. Of course I am scared. Who would NOT be?? If you say you, then your a liar! (not saying you are. You know what I mean) ;-)
Now I find surprise in your statement that he says he is apart of the Government??? I never heard him say that, though he has alluded to having CONNECTIONS to the government. But WHICH GOVERNMENT? I now wonder that question as applied! He does have power from what this code tells me. He is a government agency unto HIMSELF! Yet at the same time, he still has a job of supporting & reinforcing a much larger structure. Thus a BUTTRESS! In more ways than one can be gleaned of what that is meant to mean as! ;-) Coincidence again that it is RIGHT??!! I mean come on. :-/
Yet it is kinda funny. Whoever did this code. martians or secret Intelligence from earth, you must admit & will surely see, that they indeed do have a sense of humor. I admit it has helped me carry on at times when fear was overtaking me. Sometimes you have to laugh, just to stay sane. Trust me,.. I know.. From EXPERIENCE!!
Rick, you said..:
"though he does tend to take the side you're taking; that is, he looks around, grabs some numbers, some names, some sneaky sounding groups, shoves all that into a bucket, shakes it up and out comes... shit."
MR:
Shit ay? I wish!! Because if this aint shit, then it is definitely something else altogether!! But he does NOT take the side I am. Quite the opposite as EVIDENCED through those links. I not just looked around, & grabbed some names & numbers. Something led me to do that, to begin with to get that stuff by the way, which have produced fruit no less!
I admit I am shaking it up. Quite a bit I will add. But HE & those who side with his mind set to keep this hidden not want it shaken at all!
That is my point here!!! So who is lying? The producers? These Martians in code, the secret Intelligence in code?? Or that DICK HOAGLAND?? Someone is lyin here & it aint me! This was created in the past before you or me & anyone else in here knew the guy. But... SOMEONE KNEW HIM & VERY WELL IS OBVIOUS!!! They want us to know him also! They want him to know that they see him, that they know him, & knows what he did! Information that has as of yet anyway, to be able to be spelled out more to us. But I am sure, HE GETS THEIR MESSAGE WELL CLEAR ENOUGH!!!
I wanna be clear & know that message as well! Which is why he did what he did to me & mine, & to my show. You have NO IDEA what the situations are or were. So you cannot rightfully & truefully be able to discount it. It was not you. How could you know?! Well, I am trying to tell you some of those things! This is MY TESTIMONY as well, as witness unto the facts! In this case, to be used in a case against HIM! For the crimes committed by him unto me & mine & for violating my civil rights literally!! I will NOT get into that now, but he knows I know what that means!! I am sure he sees this!! Make no mistake about that fact people!!!
Rick, you said..:
"I guess - I'll believe when I can see things, then VERIFY them myself."
MR:
Well, when you have some personal TIME, I hope you choose to use it to go through the links & see those things yourself. In his own words even, that you should easily go Hmmmmmmmm. Something aint right here with this guy Super Hoagy & this investigation into UFO DIARIES & THE FACES OF MARS IMAGES!!!!!!
Please do,... verify them. The only way you can, is to EXPERIMENT, whereas I wanna see those results!!! I am the principal Investigator into this after all. How far do YOU think YOU can go in studying this code?? Into seeing as much as I can?? Into being able to get as much as I have gotten??? I dare anyone & really want you & others to try. he does NOT want you to though! if that makes any difference or not to you... well?!....
Some of the very things you want Rick, are indeed, inside those links I posted. That is why I chosen to give those links! To wet the whistles as it were. It be up to you to blow that whistle, or do what he would prefer & what he wants you to do, which is NOTHING AT ALL! Why do what he wants I ask & say??? Does he deserve such respect?? NOT FROM ME I SAY! In the least anyway! You may feel otherwise. But I am saying this to all!!! GROW SOME NUTS!! Dare to speak up & speak out!! Not let ANYONE INFLUENCE OR THREATEN YOU in you wanting to do so or not! The choice is YOURS!
You can email me personally & speak to me in private if that befits you & I will honor & respect that.
In TIME this conspiracy will show more of itself as more things is done & is placed up online. TIME is essentail again in this. because the outcome I believe in these martians or in whoevers eyes, has an outcome already seen to have to occur! I already spelled out one thing... if someone, keeps failing to appear to answer RADIO SIGNALS! THEY MEAN IT ALSO!!
It would NOT be gleaned if they did not! Especially when to them, he has committed crimes, to me especially! It seems that was a no no?! because whoever these beings are, they seemed to care about my civil rights!!! GO FIGURE!!!
Darby... All I can say is that I can try to use your advice. But trust me, in dealing with this THING & it's code & with that DICK Hoagland, there aint so simplifying or keeping things short & sweet!! I am my own person. I cannot help who & what I am. I also like yourself am very passionate & a thinker. I polagize if I am too lengthy for you or others. Ooops. That not sounded right! hee hee? See, have to have a sense of humor in this S#!T!!!
I hear ya though what your saying. I appreciate it, & I also have heard such things many times before as I am sure you can imagine! ;-) My flaws I NOT allow to stop me. I aint perfect. I figure is someone is interested enough, they will take the TIME & read it. if not,?? Oh well. I know that EYES are watching & it will make a difference. TIME will show that! That is my point.
Caps to me however I use to generalize stress points. Or important points. I do NOT conform to anything or to anyone in how they say I should be or how I should act, or in what I can do or cannot do! I can only be myself. ( I aint talking about rules or being ballsy) ;-) You know what I am saying.
I mean in general. I can only hope that I can use that advice & adhere it where & when I can, to show you I am at least trying. I am not here to make people feel comfy also in this topic. I KNOW it makes many feel uncomfortable because it flips them out. I can relate & understand. But I shall not bow to make them comfy about it. Especially after what has happened to me & mine because of it!!!!
It also can mean the recipients has no clue & nothing to go on to believe stuffs that threatens what they think Or thought they knew! That not means the messenger is wrong! Though your point is taken & logical. But it not applies here.
Your right about me going into a gunfight. Yet armed with a slingshot?? Possibly. ha ha ha. nice analogy there. remember, David KILLED Goliath with such a weapon! Also, the WEAPON I am using & will continue to use, in this code is termed as a CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY! Hmmm think about that! A CUTTING EDGE.... TECHNOLOGY! This weapon I am using.... is meant to CUT, & DEEP!!!! yet a weapon this is not only as being. This code & these Martians state in this code that this is how worlds communicate! THAT ITSELF IS FASCINATING TO ME!!!
Can it be so??? Who is to say & prove that it aint?? Think about it people! NASA, SETI spend billions looking for communicative signals in space,.. yet a message slips by them, & the powers that be!! See?? To me, that is very F%#@ING FUNNY!!!!
I think it is to these Martians also!!!! I can almost hear their laughter at that FACT!!!
I appreciate your time & advice darby. You do sound sweet & someone with mucho brains. Thanks for caring for this nobody to let me know you took that TIME to give me that advice. I do appreciate it much. Please believe me. In that at least. I can only hope & I do pray, that someday, somehow, you will believe what I am about & what it is I am bringing forth. It really is very important. I can only hope & also pray, that I am smart enough & quick enough, to really bring all this message forth.
I think alot that whoever seen me & selected me or however I can look at this ( there are theories I have to this) I think & feel sometimes they chosen the wrong guy to be the recipient to this coded message. Like you said darby, you hit it right on,... Who are you to give advice to someone...Like me??!! I fall far short
of what anyone would consider something like this THING to fall into someones lap to deal with & bring forth.
But I do see & appreciate the DIRECT COMMUNICATION that has taken place & is taking place in this code to ME to help guide me, to bring forth this message toyou all.
I just hope that it all is for good & not evil. For the benefit of Humanity & to earth & not the opposite.
But alas, it is mine to deal with regardless. I have to kep trying & keep fighting to keep trying to see & solve it's riddles & glean it's hidden secret information stored up inside as if it is a super computer. Based now mind you, upon the science of language. Whoever created this THING ultimately, has an acute very well developed understanding of the science of language. (ok no jokes now, I KNOW I do not) This code attests & shows this also, in terms of this code design by the creators.
It is interesting.If one can conceive it yet alone see it!
If anyone chooses to believe this or not, or to believe me or not, I do promise one thing, they will be more than entertained by this all. So if that is all people are looking for, they come to the right place for that!! That is a promise!!! What better place ay?... Than THE ANOMALIES NETWORK FORUM!!! Youz have to agree with that!! ;-)
Well all, I think I have replied addressing the most important things I think youz have addressed. As I promised I would.
I hope youz understand & tolerated the length.
This topic will surely grow. It will produce fruit to help get us the answers & the TRUTH! I am certain of that. The when or the exact hows?? Well, TIME WILL SHOW THAT AS WELL!!
I hope. ;-)
Now with that thought, I'd like to say thanks for reading. AND GO THROUGH THOSE LINKS! Take your TIME!!! But not take forever to do so. ;-) Mainly because we do NOT HAVE FOREVER to do so!!!
For whatever that is worth to you all....
Peace...
p.s. Rick, I am gonna email you. I also am in Colorado Springs. maybe we can meet so we can chat, so you will see & know my intents & the seriousness of this subject.
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