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#248318 - 12/17/09 07:07 AM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Darby]
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I glimpsed a show on ice cores in the high altitude mountains of the Tropic Zone. They've found nothing that goes back more than 25,000 years - a surprise as the last ice age ended 100,000 years ago. They mentioned regression of the poles every 23,000 years AND a seeming periodic, gradual change in Earth's orbit from circular to oval, an estimated one million year cycle - and we don't know where we are in it. They said that the combination of these two changes would have dramatic effects on both tropical and polar ice.

Rick is right - we have NO understanding of the NATURAL causes of planetary temperature changes. If humans stopped burning all fuels and stopped exhaling CO2, it might not make a dent in the changes - IF the current perceptions of increases are REAL, which I don't accept.
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#248329 - 12/28/09 12:43 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Mr.P.]
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While reading this post a question come into my mind.Due to the global warming wil the sea level soar?I dont think so.Think to a bucket filled with water and with a piece of ice.When the ice melt does the level of water rise in the bucket?No because the space occupied by ice underwater is the same occupied by water coming from melting ice.If the all ice in the artic sea melt there will be no icrease in ocean level.The biggest part of ice present on earth is underwater and will no affect the level of water.(Please forgive my English i am italian.)
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#248332 - 12/28/09 10:36 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Peterle Matteo]
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Peterle,

You're absolutely correct about floating ice - or anything else that floats or is immersed in water, sinks and finds a level of neutral bouyancy. It displaces a mass of water equal to its own mass. Melt the ice and it still displaces the same water mass.

The level only rises if the ice was land bound before melting. However it isn't about the volume occupied by water ice. Water ice actually occupies a larger space than liquid water because as it freezes it forms a chrystal lattice that occupies a greater volume than liquid water. Water expands when it freezes. If the laws of atomic physics were different such that floating ice displaced a volume equal to itself the level would fall, not rise, when the ice melted.
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#248333 - 12/28/09 10:40 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Darby]
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Peterle,

By the way - no problem with your written English. It's perfect. English is a difficult language to learn for people who speak a Romance language English is a Germanic language.
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#248343 - 12/29/09 11:18 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Darby]
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I think the only science in volved in climate change is in the area of wheather modification. For example, how many themal units would it take to heat the oceans along South America's west coast to cause a drought in Australia, is it in human scope to modify the weather to this degree. A nuclear explosion high in the atmosphere causes a hole in the ozone layer lasting about four hours. Climate change has been with us since day one. Some one said the ice has been melting for about 100,000 thousand and the reduction of ice results in the observed warming when it is seen. I would expect that in order to reverse the melting of ice a change such that there were frost at night and a need to wear a jumper all day in the tropics would be required.

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#248348 - 12/30/09 10:35 AM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Darby]
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Thank you Mister Darby!
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#248374 - 01/05/10 12:40 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Peterle Matteo]
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Not sure how many of you read the "Watts Up With That?" blog (http://wattsupwiththat.com), but it covers a range of science issues in a very practical manner. Lately, they've been covering AGW/"Climate Change" more than other topics (including some silly humorist type articles).

I've gleaned some very practical, clear-thinking type information from there ... lately, I was impressed by the videos of the presentation given my Burt Rutan last summer: LINK

Hope you find it useful,
-Bryk

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#248375 - 01/06/10 07:56 AM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Brykovian]
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Global warming my frozen arse! Not in Atlanta.
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#248466 - 01/18/10 05:49 PM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Rick Donaldson]
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now which one is it: "government created global warming to kill us and/or place the blame on us" or " government lied"

Edited by Billy Chin (01/18/10 06:08 PM)

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#248532 - 01/24/10 06:54 AM Re: Global Warming IS A CONSPIRACY! [Re: Billy Chin]
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Other than Al Gore getting rich on espousing global warning, what does the "government" have to do with your comment?

If you paid attention, the U.S. did not buy into the Kyoto Protocols into reducing carbon footprints, and until Obama stuck foot into mouth, the U.S. has had no real intention of scaling back its production and use of fossil fuels.

Besides, I came across some interesting data (or hypothesis) that basically states that if mankind stopped burning fossil fuels completely today, it will take something in the neighborhood of 10,000 years before the Earth's atmosphere would be affected.

Another hypothesis states that the weather on the Earth is greatlyh affected by sunspots: the number of sunspots. THe greater the sunspots, the warmer the weather. Currently, the sun is "turned off," but is expected to exhibit a great deal of sunspots in 2012.

It is not the "government" that spouts and/or promotes a doomsday scenario: rather, we find that a group of scientists with their own agendas doing the broadcasting, backed up by a plethora of info-documentaries that spread the "worst scenario" as <i>the</i> scenario to come.
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