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#25306 - 03/15/04 11:18 AM John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
Late Night Owl Offline
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A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

I had to revisit this "laser being bent by the time machine" picture. There are so many things wrong with it. For those who don't know what picture I'm talking about, here is the original:



John claimed this was a picture of his instructor who was shining a laser out the window of the car. The beam was being bent by the Time Machine's gravity and was made visible by the cigar smoke. We'll see about that!

The picture is really dark, and you can't see much detail. So I opened it in Photoshop and lightened it a bit:



That's better, isn't it? Now we can see additional features. Let's take a closer look:



The first thing that should strike you is that there doesn't really seem to be much smoke in the car. Certainly not enough to make that beam so continuous. Notice that it is NOT broken anywhere? I tried duplicating this image in a smoke filled room. My laser pointer has a 4 mW output and it was just barely visible. When smoke was puffed directly into the beam, it did become visible - as an irregularly dashed line.

Now -why- is that laser beam bending? It's supposed to be the field of that Time Machine affecting the light, right? Well, light is coming from the other visible surfaces of the car, yet their images don't seem to be affected by this field. Look at the almost vertical edge of the window frame just to the left of the beam - it's still straight.

The effect we're supposed to see is called gravitational lensing. It's like looking through a big magnifying glass. All nearby objects should look distorted, but they aren't. There's a reason why, but first, let's take a closer look at that "laser pointer" that John's "instructor" is holding in his left hand.



Interesting, eh? The body of that pointer doesn't seem to line up with the beam. And what's that curly-Q thing that seems to be coming from the door? There's nothing in a Corvette interior that matches that little anomaly. It seems to connect right up to the beam!

I've seen this before. It's a camera trick. The "beam" is NOT emanating from the laser pointer - it's attached to the door! The "instructor" has placed his hand so that the end of the "beam" lines up with the tip of his pointer. That's why the beam is not lined up with the pointer's body. It was "close enough" and with the picture so dark, no one would notice - well, almost no one! As for the beam itself, does it look a little "thick" to you? Maybe about as thick as a rope light? Those plastic tubes with a lot of little lights in it? Is that curly-Q anomaly the power cord? Or could it be a neon tube? Remember who owns a sign company? Or is it an optical fiber? Read this article and decide for yourself. Page 1 and Page 4 are the interesting ones:

Larry knows a lot of intersting people!

Here's a couple of clips from it:

quote:
"I was always into making money on my own," says Kingstone, the 36-year-old founder, chairman and CEO of the publicly held Super Vision International.

The Orlando company was formed in 1990 and went public in 1994. It makes fiber-optic lighting used in signs and other places that once were the sole domain of neon lights. Fiber optics are long, thin plastic or glass strands that conduct light.

quote:
Much of Kingstone's success could be attributed to the fact that he "is driven beyond belief," says Larry Haber, director of business affairs at Walt Disney Attractions Television Productions. Haber has known Kingstone for seven years.

"I have dealt with a lot of small business owners, and I have never met anybody as singularly competitive as he is," says Haber, also an attorney. "Brett goes after what he wants and he gets what he needs.

"A lot of people get put off by his aggressiveness -- if you're too slow, he'll run right by you," says Haber. "He's a tough businessperson, but not unfair. He's by the book, but he pushes."

There's one more thing to look at - and it leaves absolutely no doubt that this is a faked picture. Do you see the triangular left-side window? Since we can see the entire bottom of the window, we can actually overlay the picture of the instructor and the laser into the actual car, a 1966 Corvette. I used 90% opacity on the intructor-with-laser picture so you can still see the image of the car it's being overlaid on. Here's the composite - LOOK WHERE THE INSTRUCTOR IS SITTING!



No matter how you look at that picture - how it could have been taken - what angle it was taken from (it had to be close to this angle for the angled windshield frame to match so closely), the guy is sitting in the passenger seat! And now a few more things makes sense. Look back at the lightened version of the original picture. You see that shadow under the instructor's right arm? Now you can see WHY it's there. It's being cast on the passenger door! And that blue thing? It's his pants leg - he's resting his foot on the raised section of the floorboard next to the door.

So if this picture is faked, can we trust anything else John said?

-LNO

P.S. - If Anomalies' admins or moderators wish to copy these pictures over to the Anomalies site and change the links, I do hereby grant them permission to do so. They were public domain, and they shall remain that way. I don't know how long my ISP will let me host the pictures if traffic becomes heavier.
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#25307 - 03/15/04 11:29 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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Bravo once again, LNO! Excellent work.
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#25308 - 03/15/04 11:37 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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quote:
There's one more thing to look at - and it leaves absolutely no doubt that this is a faked picture. Do you see the triangular left-side window? Since we can see the entire bottom of the window, we can actually overlay the picture of the instructor and the laser into the actual car, a 1966 Corvette. I used 90% opacity on the intructor-with-laser picture so you can still see the image of the car it's being overlaid on. Here's the composite - LOOK WHERE THE INSTRUCTOR IS SITTING!

No matter how you look at that picture - how it could have been taken - what angle it was taken from (it had to be close to this angle for the angled windshield frame to match so closely), the guy is sitting in the passenger seat! And now a few more things makes sense. Look back at the lightened version of the original picture. You see that shadow under the instructor's right arm? Now you can see WHY it's there. It's being cast on the passenger door! And that blue thing? It's his pants leg - he's resting his foot on the raised section of the floorboard next to the door.

So if this picture is faked, can we trust anything else John said?

I feel like a goon for asking this, as I'm probably missing something, but how does the fact that the 'professor' was in the passenger seat help prove the case that the picture was faked? That was my first impression when I saw the picture- that the subject of the photo was in the passenger seat and the picture was being taken by the driver.

Other than that, great work on your findings. One more piece of evidence towards the case that Mr. Larry might be the focal point of this whole mess.

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#25309 - 03/15/04 11:40 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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Well I too think the picture is faked, but the instructor sitting in the passenger seat means nothing.

It was pretty obvious to me straight from the beginning that it was inside the corvette looking out the passenger window. So?

The original description from JT made it seem that the 'unit' could be outside the vehicle at the time.

What is convenient for a hoax is

(A) that the unit is not visible at the same time as the beam because then there would be huge and obvious visual anomalies everywhere if it were really gravity distorting micro black holes.

This way the hoaxer only has to bend a beam.

(B) why would the instructor have to do it in a Corvette? Why not a classroom? The Corvette was specific to JT's mission only.

the answer is a combination of (A) and the desire of the hoaxer to not have any other identifiable locations or landmarks in the picture. ANd of course being so low resolution and dark.

The real issue of course is why does the distortion unit bend only the beam AND NOT THE APPEARANCE OF THE BACKGROUND DOOR? If the unit is right on the other side of the door it will sure be doing something right there.

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#25310 - 03/15/04 11:43 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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and why isn't that unidentifiable silvery thing something on the front triangular little window?
or maybe a right mirror?

but yes, I think it is almost certainly a fiber optic device.

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#25311 - 03/15/04 11:46 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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The location does makes sense for a hoax. The fiber optic illumination unit is outside the car and Buzz/JT took one of the output strands and propped it up so that it angled into the car (notice how the angle is just like how something would bend in gravity, i.e. Earth's 9.8 m/s^2 gravity straight down) and happened to end right at the "pointer".

Why there? Well if he were sitting in the driver's seat then he would have to show a *straight* section and then a curved section and that would be too hard to do.

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#25312 - 03/15/04 11:56 AM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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Two things: The 1966 Corvette doesn't have a mirror on the passenger side. And isn't that Time Machine sitting on the passenger seat?



So if the guy is sitting in the passenger seat, where is the Time Machine? Corvettes don't hava a back seat. Is it sitting outside the door? But the door is closed, and I don't see that control box anywhere. And if it was sitting outside the door, what is the purpose of showing the interior of the car? I thought this was supposed to be a picture of the instructor demonstrating the machine?

Yes, the biggest giveaway is the lack of any kind of visual distortion of the door. If the machine is bending the laser, it would bend the light from all visible sections of the door just as much as the beam. And don't get me started again on the other gravity aspect - if there's enough gravity to bend the beam, then why isn't the instructor reduced to a bloody film on the door, the door crushed into a foil, etc..

-LNO
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#25313 - 03/15/04 12:02 PM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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Didn't Titor provide the dimensions of the gravity sinusoid.. or whatever it's called? I recall it wasn't too much bigger than the car. Wouldn't having it outside the car endanger the car itself, and anyone not sitting close enough to the unit?

Something to look up..

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#25314 - 03/15/04 12:08 PM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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quote:
Originally posted by Late Night Owl:
A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words
Here's the composite - LOOK WHERE THE INSTRUCTOR IS SITTING!

Hahaha. The 'Instructor' of Hoaxes, that is!
The more I see all these variations of this one faked photograph of a bent laser-pen (yeah, right), the more I see a pudged TV Technical Video Editor who sports long sideburns, scraggly facial hair, wears thin-rimmed glasses... smokes his stogies and is in my mind... left-handed. The same hand he no doubt rolls that mouse connected to his computer graphics workstation every business day.

DB

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#25315 - 03/15/04 12:08 PM Re: John Titor's Laser Picture Was FAKED - Proof
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Oh yes, now the "laser pointer" makes even more sense.

what I think:

It is actually a physical connector for the fiber optic lighting cable.

Why is it not pointing straight? Because JT/Buzz/Instructor is PULLING on it, to make some tension in the fiber optic cable and get it to look how he wanted. The connector is angled to the fiber because that's how he held it.

He wasn't quite pulling it completely straight parallel when the picture was snapped.

Again the idea of bending a laser in gravity is something that a scientifically aware layman would think of, having seen the PBS specials on general relatvity et cetera and imagining the picture of the light ray being bent by the Sun.

Forgetting about how it would make unusual optical distortions all over the place is a layman's error. He correlated with the "beam" picture from the science specials or maybe Hawkings' book in his head. Of course, gravitational lensing is far more obscure and the resulting picture would be much harder to compute---you'd need some real physicists and mathemeticians with GR lensing software codes to do that.

Don't think the IBM 5100 has those ready to run.


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