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#43370 - 11/30/01 12:50 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Collective Consciousness Offline
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Registered: 08/02/01
Posts: 680
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Originally posted by Collective Consciousness:
Well dreamboys is a gay reference, not a pedo reference so it has nothing to do with underaged Nickodemous.


I hope it has nothing to do with underage boys and you are not implying that I am underage.

This is humor tho...

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#43371 - 11/30/01 12:53 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
kayos Offline
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Registered: 07/18/01
Posts: 153
Loc: California
Nick,
I don't understand what you are saying.

Two people have a misunderstanding that turns nasty. They each make vitrolic accusations about the other. There isn't much substantiating evidence here about either ones accusations.

How do you make a judgement? Why do you need to make a judgement?

I was at Collectives' board from the beginning. There was never a need to ban anyone because all view points were accepted. Disruptive types were not invited. I never saw the dreamboys site because I logged on to Collective's board, not the dreamboy's board.

After reading his posts for several months I have full confidence in the integrety of Collective. I knew nothing about Clyde before this all happened. Now I have an opinion of him based on his recent actions
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#43372 - 11/30/01 02:04 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Ernie Vega Offline
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Registered: 06/10/01
Posts: 91
Loc: New York
Hi All,

As to my CV it has been posted and reposted.
I have never claimed to be a Doctor of anything. I am a Computer Scientist and I specialize in Physics, and of course Psionics.

The reference to me as doctor was an honest mistake. I thought it had been removed the fist day it went up. Apparently the person in charge of changing it either did not do it or put it back in a restore, I don't know why it is still there.

I contacted Dr. Horowitz's staff and asked for it to be removed again yesterday and today.

As to Dreamboys the nu was a mistake, I just made a mistake you can see the posting in the announcement forum has the proper url and I have changed the other one that linked to the other Dreamboys. I apologize to the injured party.

Carol the quote from my site was not written by me did you just miss that? It was written by Charles Cosimano. I have stated many times that although I consider Charles to be a Genius and the father of Modern Psionics, I disagree with some of his statements, that is public knowledge.

To answer you directly about the info link on my site, I have a lot of web sites and I can't personally check every single link a webmaster puts up. Once I ask for something to be taken down it usually is, I don't have to check. This one slipped through, that's all.

At least be rational about behavior, why would I claim to be a doctor in one site and then publicly repeat over and over that I am not a doctor and publish my CV?

If I were to claim that my software cures even a computer virus I would be destroyed and rightly so. It is an experimental device and it states that, it works with the biomagnetic field of all things. It is non intrusive and any results derived from it’s use on a human being are manifested by the mind/brain of the person using it, not the device.

I have never claimed that my software cures anything, it is perfectly legal. Yes it can unleash the awsome power of the human mind. That is a fact. Used properly the software can help you in many ways.

You can contact whomever you want and dredge all you want about me you will find nothing at all that points to me as a Con Man.

I'm confident that if this goes to a court of law, it's not going to go your way.

It is/was a prostitution site and although it may be legal in Holland it is not something we want to be associated with.

You can't just take
our banners and run them on a bbs that is hosted on a prostitution site or any other site without my say so.

You all say you left anomalies
due to banning yet you banned me from being able to give you a clear and simple answer To an accusation of being a con man.

Collective:
Yes I did speak with Dr. Horowitz, what is your point?

You are a hypocrite. Why did you allow my banning? Notice you are still posting here and I could have banned all of you instantly.
How come you are not banned yet?
I was being attacked on your BBS in a vile way, I was not even able to read the posts. You say it was a bug, ok how come I was the only person affected by this bug.
You left me no choice but to look and see where the chinks in your armor were. That is where Dreamboys.nl came into the picture.
It gave me the legal ground to demand that our property be removed from your site.
I looked at the site and I saw prostitution, room offers and pornographic
photos of very young people male and female. You say she had tattoos, so what?
is that proof of age. I don't know how old she is, do you? I want to find out.

I never did anything to you or any other poster. I have never banned anyone.
I did agree with the banning of Mary and a few others that were doing nothing but disrupting the forums.

Mary / Carol /Penni
You have every right to believe anything you want about me or anyone else, but making accusations is not legal unless you have evidence.

You want to take this to the limit? Ok then
get your ducks in a row, cause I am. We have not yet contacted any agencies but as soon as my attorney tells me you crossed the line for sure we will.

Dr. Horowitz is an honest man and will see through you and your agendas in a second.
He has nothing to hide, check his credentials and mine. You will find they are all in order.

Some of you have already made statements about how you are going to destroy me and my business, check how legal that is. That is a threat and it is subject to litigation.

You should all meet up somewhere and figure out who said what to whom. I believe if you do this you may want to stop this before people get in legal trouble because some other poster is not telling you something they said or sent someone in an e-mail.

I have for instance an e-mail from Penni telling me that she started all the problems for reasons I will not mention now but eventually this will be made public, it's called a confession. She admits that she used me as a target due to frustrations of a personal nature on her part. Ask her if this is true.

This whole sham is about Mary and Penni.
When you align yourselves with them make sure they are telling you everything.

I like Ground Zero and Clyde Lewis is my friend. I'm going to continue to support the show despite all your efforts to discredit us.

The proof is in the actions taken yesterday.
My sites have not changed anything. Your sites did. How come? Why does Collective say he has to protect those poor boys running the "Escort service". Protect them from what?
Innocent people do not need protection. If it is/was legal there should be no problem.

The saddest part of all this is that I am totally innocent of all the accusations you make. Why did you do it? All I did was keep a show on the air and advertise my products.

There are real scams on the web all of you know where they are.

There are people selling magnets that supposedly make you live forever. You can buy time machines.
You can buy Psionic devices that make medical claims. You can buy stars and property on the Moon also.
How about the fear mongers that predict
the end of the world every year.
Go after somebody who is guilty of something if you need to feel empowered.

Better yet just go away, Ground Zero has plenty of Fans, and I don't need your business either.

I'm human, some people like me some don't, that's ok. When I'm attacked I fight back.

Anomalies.net is private property if you don't like the rules don't come in, it's that simple.

In the end justice will prevail. You are picking a fight that you can't win.
If I thought for a second that you could hurt me or my business, I would not be talking to you about it here. (hint)


Ernie Vega
_________________________
Dylan,

Don't follow leaders, and watch your parking meters.

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#43373 - 11/30/01 02:17 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Host Of Ground Zero Offline
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Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 110
Loc: USA
The Truth that everyone is looking for with this story can not and probably will not surface. The site was Not a Gay Porn site nor a Kiddee Porn site.

The original site that has now been moved appeared to be a Sex tourism site that offered rooms and young boys that according to the site make your heart beat faster.

It may be legal in Amsterdam.. but morally wrong on my planet.

The site I see now has been moved. Now with added young boys with bare butts.. and a disclaimer.

So we can all go to sleep and I can be an ugly maniacal plotter who everyone claims is out to destroy a "legitimate" business.

Well, fine.

You can attack me freely in my own forum.. as you can see there have been no deletions so far. Those who have been kicked from anomalies have already been kicked because the powers that be saw it fit to do so.

The case now makes the argument. Those who were taken away are those who are now attacking me for a stand that I felt needed to be taken. I was not about to be associated in any way with a site that used freedom of speech as an excuse to malign individuals that could not defend themselves.. those who needed to ironically enough were banned from Starkickers.

The Starkickers site is back.

That is okay and I will not stop it.. and i will not sling mud against it... You can kill me and kick me and do what you want .. as you can see I am allowing this too... I can't speak for others though and you can all misjudge my intentions.. but what would I gain from shutting down a BBS? Nothing.

I just made a statement.

I was reading in Reptoids that perhaps I would sling mud at the others for wanting independence.. well I am not slinging mud.

They changed everything now to make me look like a fool... okay you have done it.. get on with your lives. let cool heads prevail.. and I guess others can continue to bash me...but in my heart I know what I saw and no changes or makeovers can change what was going on..

These StarKicker Reptoid ulumns are quick to call those who dont think like them reptilians.. and from what I know reptilians are shapeshifters and are able to change at will.. they hide behind different aliases and they mark their territories. They are secretive and plotting.

They suck the blood out of the innocent and then cover their tracks... they feel that it is necessary in order to have fun.

Let the evidence rest.

Let it all rest.. everyone is happy now.. and I have done the unpopular thing... I have exposed the lair in which they hide.

If blood is on your hands.. and innocence is lost at your hands.. then you have everything to worry about.. if not then I will admit that I am wrong.. But I am beginning to see a vocal majority come after me.. and for what-- asking to not be associated with a site that had a link to a "boy" prostitution site. Asking to not be associated with a site that was using free speech to malign a business associate. Asking for responsibility. Asking not to be ignored... Everyone said to let it pass...

How?

This is not ALL about anomalies.. or Vega .. this is about associations... and I didn't want to be a part of something like "Dream boys." I didnt want to have to sit and argue with Mary .. or get ugly with her. I didn't want to hear about unfounded rumors about my business partner. I didnt want to see Argumentum and hominum dealing with things that meant nothing to "the truth."

I was under the impression that the Starkickers board was there to speak responsibly with intellectual honesty.

I was wrong.

I wanted out. i wanted No Ground Zero ties.. unofficial or otherwise..... so I complained. I found something fishy about "dream boys" and now Im out. I used my own forum to report what i saw was an operation that looked bad.

If it wasn't illeagal why was it shut down, moved and changed? Why did anyone fear?

That is the question that is unclear.

It doesnt have to be answered .. it just looks suspicious.

Bottom line .. they are still there. they are still functioning.

So.. I did nothing really... They tucked their tail and ran. Now the coast seems to be clear.. so they are back.

All is well... Life is good.. and drink to my downfall.

Salud!

It's happened before.
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#43374 - 11/30/01 02:21 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Nickodemus Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 567
Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa
Quote:
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I have my own opinion of CC , considering the first time I posted here he was one of the first to attack me.

Nick
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The rest of the world hears you....
And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
President George W. Bush 9/14/01

Powell & Bush - The ultimate duet

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#43375 - 11/30/01 02:27 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Nickodemus Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 567
Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa
Quote:
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That is the ultimate question. Will there ever be an answer???

Nick
_________________________
"I can hear you......
The rest of the world hears you....
And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
President George W. Bush 9/14/01

Powell & Bush - The ultimate duet

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#43376 - 11/30/01 02:48 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Host Of Ground Zero Offline
Member


Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 110
Loc: USA
No Nick I do not think so... everything that I wrote in the original post was accurate at the time.. The Starkickers site sat on a CGIbin hosted by Dreamboys. The link was in fine print at the bottom of the site. I clicked there and saw the original site that it was hosted by. the site has now been moved and changed and since i am not a member of that board I am unable to see if it is still afilliated. I would assume no.

The story has been twisted.

The ground Zero references are also gone.

Now.

If the site was legal

A) why was it changed and a disclaimer was placed on the site?
B) why did Starkickers shut down and move
C) Why was the NL. changed to NU.
D) Why did Collective say he had to "protect" the boys who operated the site?

I can only assume that NOW the site is legal.
Our logo is not on it anymore. They can still malign me and Ernie there and in this forum. They have not been banned. And we haven't said anything bad about anyone who posts there.

Howver the opposite exists on their end.

So I am the evil maniacal jerk who has runined their party?

The party continues.

So I guess as Ernie says Justice will prevail. In the meantime I guess I'm going to have to duck.

BTW--Thanks for defending me even though we tend to knock horns.. but thats the beauty of debate.

it doesn't mean i hate or dispise you.. in fact I welcome the opinions.
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#43377 - 11/30/01 03:33 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
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I made it quite clear both in private and in public that there was a possibility that it was Horowitz's fault for addressing you as "Dr. Ernie Vega." But it was still _your_ responsibility to correct references in your primary website links. That you have a lot of web pages is no excuse, many of us have dozens of web pages.

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You'll have to document that, Ernie. While I have done you the favor of pointing out that there are statements about you on Horowitz's site that are potentially indictable as a felony if someone chose to bring them to the attention of the authorities, you will need to show where I indicated that I (or others) actually intended to.

The Cosimano reference is used as one of your primary links, and without any corrective commentary to the contrary would indicate sufficient approval of it and its superficiality to most readers.


I have no interest in following up the possible fraudulent language regarding your practice of "medicine" on Horowitz's site. But I strongly suggest you find a lawyer who is skilled in medical law to look over any statements you make or that are made about you that have medical connotations, since you are playing with fire if you don't choose your words carefully in that field and appear to play fast and loose with codes of medical ethics.

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Uh, no.

If your credentials _were_ in order on Horowitz's site, the question would never have arisen, would it?


I'd sure feel a whole lot better about your explanations if you hadn't then gone and done a posting with fake lawyer talk sprinkled amongst the bombast. Clearly your notice was not written by a lawyer, with its sloppy grammar and personal complaints, and this stuff sprinkled in almost at random:

"Legal Notice (duly Posted)... CEASE AND DESIST DEMAND...You are hereby ordered... In the event that you ignore this notice, you are hereby notified that you will be billed at a rate of $5000 (American Dollars) per day for every day you have used the property you stole from us retroactive to the inception of your BBS's use of our material..."

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#43378 - 11/30/01 03:50 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Ernie Vega Offline
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Registered: 06/10/01
Posts: 91
Loc: New York
Here is a cached version of the prostitution web site that was removed yesterday.
This can be found in Google.com
If you type in Dreamboys.

Cached home page for Dreamboys Escort Service as it was until yesterday

So who is Lying here. Did clyde make it all up. Check the selections in the pull down menu. Look at the photo that is there.

You see for yourself if this looks legit.
_________________________
Dylan,

Don't follow leaders, and watch your parking meters.

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#43379 - 11/30/01 04:47 PM Re: StarKickers and Child Prostitution URGENT MESSAGE
Ernie Vega Offline
Member


Registered: 06/10/01
Posts: 91
Loc: New York
Carol
The notice was written by me.
I am not a Lawyer or a dr.

You do not have to be a lawyer to write a legal notice of intent or a cease and desist demand.

These are pre-litigation steps.
It is done to set a foundation for a case, or as an appeal to the other party to stop.

Next the Lawyers would write it, then a Judge would enforce it if he deems it proper.

What is posted about a person on another persons website is not a statement by the person being described.

You are right that I needed to be made aware that the post was there. As soon as I was made aware, I asked for it to be removed.

You personally said you asked that I be banned from your BBS, I have yet to be able to see a posting at your forum.
To say I was given an opportunity to respond is not true. How can I respond if I can't even see what is being said about me. I learned what was said from others that were able to read the posts. At least fight fair.

I have had run ins with Penni in the past and have always been willing to defend my position when challenged.

You may not care about what the truth is, others do Carol.

Now we found a copy of the site you sit on in Google so everyone can see what it was.

Who was lying yesterday Carol?

Your accusations that I and or Dr. Horowitz would fake credentials are ridiculous.

Dr. Horowitz is a PHD and taught at Harvard.
How more legit can you get. Why would he fake my credentials only to besmirch his.

People make mistakes, someone in his organization did just that.

Now you and Mary and Penni are going to sieze that opportunity to try and cut into me because I'm involved with Anomalies, and penni thinks I'm a reptilian shape shifter.

All I can tell you is I hope you stop this.
Your weakest link is Penni. Penni does things and later forgets what she does.

I was told that on yor BBS (that I still have no access to) I have been called a Felon.

I have never even had a moving violation placed against me while driving.

I have 0 record. To be hired by JP Morgan you have to undergo extensive background checks, drug testing and Financial disclosure. All financial companies screen for criminal records. State agencies do also.
Read my resume.

Please have my account removed from your BBS as I do not wish to join in your flame war, or be associated in any way with it.

In keeping with your advise regarding things posted about me on other sites.

I'm asking you to remove all lies you have told about me if any. I'm asking all of the posters at your BBS to remove any false accusations about me.

I again demand that you cease and desist.


Ernie Vega
_________________________
Dylan,

Don't follow leaders, and watch your parking meters.

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