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#43529 - 12/15/01 02:40 PM John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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Man oh man does it get thicker and thicker as our fearless Attorney General becomes more and more of a target for skeleton hunting.

I remember when you couldn't say "Slick" or "Willie" without saying in the same breath "Draft" and "Dodger."

Turnabout is always fair play-- but of course pointing out the fact that, not only is Ashcroft a supporter of the Confederacy as reported and quoted in Southern Partisan but he also used his family to avoid going to fight in Vietnam.

Of Course Ashcroft believes that anyone pointing this out "Only aids the terrorists" saying it "erodes natinal unity and diminshes the countries resolve" -- yea well here is a question:

Did pointing any of this stuff out about Clinton only aid in dividing the country into a bunch of partisan bickerers before the Bush Coup?

Who stands accused of undermining a war effort? Someone who says "Hey why didn't you go and fight in Vietnam Sir John?" or someone who calls the kettle black by not even serving his country when he is called?

Why no protests? Why no screaming from mountain to mountain?

Silence is acceptence.
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#43530 - 12/15/01 05:12 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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The BIG difference was the Slick Willie was Commander in Chief. Made every attempt to undermine, undercut the military with his appointment to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Slick Willie used the military to transfer public attention from himself and his escapades.

Nice try, but next time don't try comparing apples with oranges.
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#43531 - 12/15/01 05:59 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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Hmmmm...welcome to short attention span theater. How about the little jaunt in Panama to take the heat from the Iran-Contra thing? Who was the President being scrutinized then? How about Grenada? How about Libya? How about Desert Storm? Seems to me Slick Willie wasn't the only one using the military to either divert attention from himself or to boost his rating in the eyes of the polls.

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No, Gryphon. It's apples and apples. The row over Clinton's draft dodging took place during his campaign against George H.W. Bush. And that all came from the "conservative, right wing, military" side of the fence.

Now...is draft dodging the same whether you are right,left, or center. Obviously not in your world.

Please explain the difference. I always thought a dodger was a dodger and a bigot was a bigot.

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#43532 - 12/15/01 06:29 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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I don't believe that Grenada, Libya or Desert Storm are comparable. We did not have an embattled President. Were they empeached and I didn't know it?

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Let me explain, maybe you don't know that apples and oranges are different.

1) Clinton was President... Ashcroft was not
2) Clinton was a draft dodger, George H.W. Bush a war hero
3) Bush (both) supported the military Clinton did not
4)Did I mention that Clinton was the Comander in chief and Ashcroft is not

Learn about Apples and Oranges

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Yes, but the Commander in Chief does not equal the Attorney General. Does it in your world?

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Explained away.... Clinton did more to undermine this country, was he a bigot, I don't know, you could never tell if and when he was telling the truth.
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#43533 - 12/15/01 06:31 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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I guess you choose your poison Gryphon--
The Clinton administration was full of as many Vampires as the Bush administration and Ashcroft is using the war as an excuse for his racist,and now cowardly behavior.

You say that Ashcroft isn't Commander in chief --well Bush isn't either.. try PUPPET.

Damn right Clinton used the military to bomb an aspirin factory in the Sudan and I grilled HIM for that too..

WAKE UP! There is no left wing or right wing only MADNESS.

If you excuse any of it.. you get what you deserve.

So is it un American to criticize any leader of this country.? or are we holding them as dieties now because we are at war with a terrible souless piece of S H I T that was a product of the CIA?

Apples and Oranges? Try Fellatio and Grenades! Either way you get blown!

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#43534 - 12/15/01 06:41 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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But in the Clinton Administration the HEAD vampire was the sorry excuse we had for a President. Ashcroft may be using an existing war to avoid questions, but Clinton started the WAR to avoid them. See the difference.

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I have no problem you criticizing a leader, but trying to comare a Commander in Chief who started a war, to an Attorney General who did not is the problem.

The CIA trained certain taliban to fight the soviet union. The CIA is not responsible for their religious zeal, or the fanactism.

Pretend all you want, but the circumstances are not the same.
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#43535 - 12/15/01 06:42 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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Libya was a response by Reagan (or those in his cabinet) to send a message we were not soft on terrorism.

Grenada and Panama were both used by an embattled President Bush to boost his ratings and divert attention the "war on drugs" was a sham as well as divert attention from the Iran-contra, guns for drugs trade. Desert Storm was another sham war for oil. No disrespect to the dead and injured soldiers in that, but odd that in that war as with the current war, most casualties were the result of "friendly fire".

Seems that both Bushs', rather than being the heroic town sheriffs in this horse opera, are the "gang who couldn't shoot straight".

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#43536 - 12/15/01 06:48 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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Whether you agree with the reasons for the war or the politics (and we won't), they were not started by a President who was being empeached and fighting for political survival.

IT was a totally different situation.

BTW, wasn't this thread about Clinton compared to Ashcroft? Did you lose that arguement?

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Now the Iraq and Afghanistan "soldiers" wouldn't agree with you....would they? Nor does 85-90% of the public according to the approval ratings.
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#43537 - 12/15/01 06:48 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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[QUOTE]I have no problem you criticizing a leader, but trying to comare a Commander in Chief who started a war, to an Attorney General who did not is the problem. [quote]

Would it be safe to extend this as a truism?: "A commander is responsible for the actions of those under his command"

If we accept this, then President Bush is fully responsible for the beliefs and actions of his appointees...they were appointed to those positions by him and thus represent him.

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#43538 - 12/15/01 06:51 PM Re: John Ashcroft DRAFT DODGER!
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I don't accept the truism...each man is responsible and accountable for his own actions.
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