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#9681 - 03/12/03 08:31 PM The Experiment (Einstein)
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It was 30 years ago that I found out about this. I was just out of high school and decided I wanted to find out if Newton's Laws of Motion applied to current flowing thru a wire. It was my idea that if the current flowed one way, the protons having most of the mass should want to go the other way. Nothing happened except for smoking wires. Then I got the idea to try a loop of wire. I expected to see it rotate when I turned on the current. Wrong again! But wait! It did move just a bit when I first applied the current. But the movement was at right angles to the plane the loop resided in. And when I disconnected the current the loop moved ever so slightly in the opposite direction and then seemed to oscillate a bit to a stop. I made different size loops and tried this experiment over and over in every possible orientation just to eliminate the possibility that the magnetic field was pulling the loop toward something. The motion was always the same no matter what its orientation. I discovered something here. And to this date I still can't find anyone else that has done this experiment. At the time I did not know what was causing the wire to move the way it did. All I could see was that the forward thrust of the loop was displaced in time from the reverse thrust. At that time I did think to myself that if I could find a way to rectify this motion I would have an antigravity drive. What I did find was one of natures little secrets about gravity but I never realized the implications of such a discovery untill much later.

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#9682 - 03/13/03 05:59 AM Re: The Experiment
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Einstein,

You started your experiment with the correct notion - does the wire obey Newton's 2nd Law?

Somewhere, after you had the answer in front of you ("Yes") you abandoned your experimental design.

I don't know if you learned much about gravity, however. If you consider gravity to have a relative strength of 1 then EM has a relative strength of 10^38. Or EM is 10^38 times stronger than gravity.

The effects were entirely EM.
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#9683 - 03/13/03 08:54 AM Re: The Experiment
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Hi Darby

I had no idea what was causing the effect at the time. It was producing a linear thrust with no external means of propulsion and no other body to push away from or attract to. I did make a note of the fact that the effect only occurred during the time the wire went from a state of nonconductance to conductance. I was curious and I wanted to find out why. I didn't abandon this design. I definitely needed more information about what was going on, but physics didn't have the answer. I had to find out on my own. I didn't interpret this effect as EM because EM obeys Newton's Laws. This effect clearly violates the law. That is how I interpreted my observations. Was it left out of the physics books because it doesn't fit? Or is there some kind of coverup going on? I'll just be willing to bet real money that Tesla knew about this.

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#9684 - 03/13/03 10:46 AM Re: The Experiment
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I've seen this too and I believe that this is what is known as electromotive rotational force?

Saw this in an electyrodyne experiment, in Ma Graw Hill's Engineering series.

Same thing with very high voltage application, where many thousands of volts are used for filament or cathode heating, such as in inch thick suspended wires.

The wires have a tendency to sway, due to the amount of current flowing through them.

This effect if properly coupled, "say with an underlayment of crystal in an epoxy paint", might cause a jump in quantum, field stasis?
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#9685 - 03/13/03 05:18 PM Re: The Experiment
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IIIIIATLANTVUS-COLUMNVUS,=ATLANTIS-COLUMNS>AT-LAN-TUS::

And it came to pass on day, that a number of our student body, had been carefully selected to attend a known secret place in the older part of the palace.

These rooms, it was rumored were places that assemblages from that other land.The land no'one had dared to mention, once headway at dropped sail was made, out of the pillars of Hercules.

On this day, I' a young and yearning for knowledge student filed into the octagonal marbled room.

I had briefly noted two of Grease's most prominate phylosophers.
This noting, along with a scientifically theoretician, whose demeanor gave an immediate command, as well as a certain air of order to this small room.

The tallest of a bearded man began to speak, so gobbling an occasional handful of olives from the servants who beckoned at this man's stately motions.

With an echoing voice of command, this gentiman motioned for the device to be entered into the room.

A hidden door was opened and two slaves pushed a large cloth hidden cart, towards the center of the room.

Some my fellow students reclined, sipping wine, others mused at the possibilities of what could lie beneath the canvas-like shroud.

The order was to close the curtains so making this room and all within dark.

From the portal to my left, a small window was opened and a beam of pure noon-day light entered the room, so striking a brass plate, which was partially illuminating the instructor.

From this man's mouth came knowledge and teachings as I have never heard before.

The brass plate was resended. then a ray of pure light lit a small crystal, which inturn had been refracted to a much bigger crystal.

The smaller one gave out an audible hum, as one strikes a large gong at portico entry. However this hum was only resting within its lower octave phases, of tonal values?

The instructor increase the light from the windowed portal, to a more narrower constancy and the small crystal, now became of resonance which hurt my ears.

This beam of light through two of the crystal, first one power, then the second on focus, had been aimed at a large metal shield.

Within second the shield was no more and a dangling rope within this room, was all the evidence afforded, that there had ever been a shield hanging by this rope at all.

The brass plate replace and the crystal now drew dark, silent, with exception of light room phase of luminance only.

We six students cautiously neared this appliance and we all knew where this device hailed from.

This device of crystal nomenclature was from the land that occasionally took a boat load of our finest women.

Half the boatload would be returned, as always agreed and inside of a year, very strange and usually blue eyed children were born by these females.

These returned children always stuck to themselves. They did not partake in swordsmanship, as the others who came from such places as Sparta, or Athens.

As I had viewed this apparatus a felt a presence approach me from behind and a seemingly familiar adult hand had laid his open hand, gently upon my shoulder.

Without turning around as I among others had viewed this strange object before, came the words from an experienced teachers, as well as politician, [Treat devices such as this, that hold great power, ..."Wisely"!?

I never did turn around to see who spoke these well put forward words.
In the light of wisdom learned from these and others words like them, I grew to see the world in a different way.IIIII>atlantvus ATLANTUS

>With reference to wire and the fields that under power this wire can emit, the following logic applies.

That in straight wire, there is in residence what is known as a radial axial field, which at either nural nonload phase, or slight under load, the wire will generate a projected radian, which is phase at the below four and eight O'clock regions.

This telling can be assumed by the holding of a small portable radio, to where one walks beneath power lines.
If one walks directly ahead to perpendicular to the power line, at certain set distance, the radio signal will fade.

In a wire to where an active electric load has been placed within the wire, a helical dynamic motion of an electron wave, will corkscrew around the center of the wire.

If the wire is invested with so much voltage, that a near overload of the ability of this wire capacity to safely carry current occurs, then the invisible helical current, which is present on the outside of the wire, in some of its phased, shall carry a reciprecal electromechanical nature to this phase.

It is this reciprocal electromechanically force, which so reinvest electromechanically, so reapplying this phase, giving a pronounced movement, to the nature of the looped or coiled wire.

The key elements there that should be realized are; voltage carried at rest within a wire.>The propagation of a helical element with the resonance of overvoltage or medium voltage carrying capacity to this wire.>And to what phase, within wire diameters and to what known helical phase, will this field be known to express itself and under what given character load, into and along the wire?
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#9686 - 03/15/03 04:39 PM Re: The Experiment
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Einstein,

I guarantee you that the effect is entirely EM - that's the force that you applied. You were short by several trillion volts of unifying the weak and EM forces (electro-weak unification) let alone unifying EM and gravity.

Does the voltage build instantaneously throughout the loop or does current flow from negative to positive in a finite time?

Does it flow in a circle through the loop or does it flow in one direction - some taking the "top" route and some taking the "bottom" route from the cathode to the anode as it flows through the loop?

In short, have you applied an unbalanced force on the loop (Newton's 2nd Law).

You probably need to post the details of your experiment in full: AC-DC current; voltage applied; amperage applied; where did you attach the electrodes; what was the surrounding environment in the "lab"; did the table (lab bench) have an Earth ground connection; did the transformer have an Earth ground connection; was the loop in contact with the lab bench; was the loop suspended - and was the suspension apparatus connected to the lab bench?

The answer to all of these questions can have a direct effect on the outcome of our experiment.
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#9687 - 03/15/03 06:44 PM Re: The Experiment
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Lets see, this is all from memory. I had built a homemade power supply. It was basically just four 12 volt 5 amp transformers. I had them all hooked up in parallel to a high amp output bridge rectifier. In effect that gave me 12 volts DC at 20 amps output. The output had large filter capacitors but I don't remember their value. It was two of the biggest ones I could get at the time. I got all these parts from Radio Shack. I do believe I had some enameled magnet wire 28 gauge that I had lying around that I used. I had made some long leads with alligator clips to attach to the loop. I had an on off toggle switch on the power supply. I knew extended short circuit operation of my power supply would fry it but just a couple seconds of operation at a time was working just fine. The loop would get real hot quickly but it did move one way with the current flipped on and then oscillated in the opposite direction with disconnection. I made several size loops and the result was the same. I even made a three foot loop which I suspended from the cieling with plastic fishing line. I pulsed the current on and off and the loop started to swing and the arc it made got larger and larger with each successive pulse. I had that loop swinging in a two foot arc after a very short period. All the loops I made were single wire from positive to negative connection. I would say the current flows in a circle through the loop creating a changing magnetic field on startup. The back emf from the magnetic field would probably cause a definite time interval for the observed pulse. I did have an amp gauge on my power supply which was rated at 25 amps but the needle was always pegged when I did these experiments. My surrounding environment wasn't perfect. I did try this in several locations in the garage I was working in. I know if iron or steel were around it could definitely contribute to the observed effect. Which is why I tried this in all orientations and different locations. This experiment doesn't fit in our standard physics model. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone with a physics PhD debunk this experient. Some exotic heating of the air molecules surrounding the wires type of explanation. They have the power and authority to do that you know. It just can't be gravity! That would mess up all of physics. Better to just explain it away. And those UFO's in the sky... probably just weather balloons, sunspots or something more believable.

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#9688 - 03/16/03 04:58 PM Re: The Experiment
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Einstein,

As I originally thought you used DC. A pulsed 12v/20A current was a rather hefty jolt for your loop - and it was an uneven force flowing from the cathode to the anode through the loop. It obeyed the 2nd Law as expected.

Did it originally swing toward the negative pole or the positive pole?
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#9689 - 03/16/03 07:18 PM Re: The Experiment
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Darby,

The initial pulse produced a thrust to the loop at right angles to the direction of the plane the loop resided in. With a compass in the center of the loop the direction of the magnetic field produced oriented the compass to show that the thrust was in the north direction. I was thinking that this may be a version of the Lorentz force. Since for a brief instant in time its own magnetic field cuts across the wire. But then the magnetic field and thrust vectors appear to be in the same direction. I just know this is related to my gyroscope studies.

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#9690 - 03/16/03 07:31 PM Re: The Experiment
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And those UFO's in the sky... probably just weather balloons, sunspots or something more believable.

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I saw a 'UFO' that looked like a weather balloon, it was probably doing about 200 mph on a 'frozen rope'.

Since I don't believe any balloon could do this, the most logical conclusion is that somewhere on the thing is said:
'USA'.

It reminds me of the sphere from the TT TV show 'Seven Days'.

Which I think the Producers of that show probably got from Frolov's site.

Which device is just like drawings I made 20 years ago.... I sense a CTC forming!

Anyway,you would think that Afghanistan would warn Iraq about some of our toys.

Oh, yeah, Afghanistan has a new government.
Guess they were told to 'shut up'.

Did you ever read any of the 'eyewitness' accounts in forums about huge triangular planes shooting lasers at the Afghans?

Maybe we got this stuff from TTers, but theres no proof of that.

I know this is a TT forum, not a Ufo forum, but you brought it up!

lol

OK, I'll be good.

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